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Need help identifying a bullet - Kswhitetails - 04-09-2018

Ok Horde, it isn't Grendel. I know, feel free to delete if deemed problematic. I do not intend to veer the board off the Grendel Train rails.

My Dad has a 30-40 Krag that we've been trying to get up and running for a while. Mainly due to the lack of brass and other complications from dealing with a 100 year old firearm, we've been snapping up any old cartridges we find at a reasonable price for the last several years.

Last gun show, a guy had a baggie with some rounds in it, I gave him $10 for the 19 rounds, and he didn't know anything about them.

I want to know what I've found. I've never seen this projectile before, and can't seem to find info or pics of it online either. To be fair, Google is frustratingly filtering searches now containing the horrible words "bullet, projectile, load", or any caliber declaration. See for yourself. Maybe it's just me, and my weak google-fu, but the goal posts are being moved on us...

Anyway here are a few pics of the bullet. No, I have not pulled one yet. From all guesses, it looks to be in the 220 grain family. I'm guessing an old Remington Silver tip, or similar. Anyone recognize these?

Old Krag bullet? by ., on Flickr

Old Krag bullet? by ., on Flickr

Anyone that could guide me to a source of info would be a big help. If these are rare, we don't want to shoot them or destroy them. We'll add them to the collection. We discovered that some of this stuff can be rather valuable! And dad's a bit finicky about cool old gun items, which in the long run is good for me.

Thanks all,
KS

Need help identifying a bullet - BCHunter - 04-09-2018

Winchester made the silver tips not Remington and it is not a silver tip. Might have some luck contacting one of the firearm museums?

Need help identifying a bullet - Kswhitetails - 04-09-2018

Correct. Early Core-Lokt or Winchester Silvertip. I kind of think it pre-dates either of the lines. Predecessor?

Need help identifying a bullet - BCHunter - 04-09-2018

It may be .30 army full patch made by Winchester in 1900's. Can't find a picture of the tip online. But the profile looks similiar.

Need help identifying a bullet - kmon - 04-09-2018

Hard to tell, at one time Winchester loaded a hollow power point (I think it ws called) that looked a lot like that.

Should not be that hard to find 30-40 Krag ammo at least online. https://ammoseek.com/ammo/30-40-krag

Need help identifying a bullet - VASCAR2 - 04-10-2018

You care to post a picture of the case head of the 30-40 Krag cartridge. I had a Gunsmith buddy look at your pictures since he’s owned and shot 30-40 Krag for about 40 years. He doesn’t ever recall a bullet like the one you have pictured. I’d sure keep it as it is very unique.

Need help identifying a bullet - Kswhitetails - 04-10-2018

- REM UMC - 30USA

Untitled by ., on Flickr

There were 19 identical loaded rounds. All the same condition, some slight corrosion on a few. They don't look like reloads. I'm in contact with the NRA National Firearms Museum, Mrs. Schott is referring it to the appropriate channels. She has never seen it either. Either we've got a rare find, or just an odd old bullet that no one liked for some reason. Tell your buddy thanks for the efforts.

Hopefully I get a bit of info to share.

Need help identifying a bullet - VASCAR2 - 04-10-2018

There is a Remington UMC 30 USA cartridge aka 30-40 Krag with a HP hollow point bullet. Take a look at this cartridge for sale. Could be it can’t tell from the pictures in the ad.

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/8766948

Need help identifying a bullet - Kswhitetails - 04-10-2018

Close, but not close. Not the same bullet at all. This one has no cannelure, and the hollow point is defined with a raised center. Very cool. Thanks.

Need help identifying a bullet - Wafavre2 - 04-10-2018

+1 for the 30-40 Krag. Winchester 1895 was chambered for this round also.

Need help identifying a bullet - Kswhitetails - 04-10-2018

That's a cool rifle. Lots of small arms history here. My uncle had a beautiful almost new condition example stolen years ago. It's why my dad bought his. It has tiurned out to be a spur of the moment purchase. Not in as good shape as it appeared, looking like a CMP barrel is on tap. We can't seem to get the copper fouling out, and we're fearing corrosive primer damage. Receiver looks good, but bluing is mostly faded. Front sight is a modern version, and the forearm has been cut short. Probably was a long forearm carbine originally. Too bad, that would be really good looking.

I do love the 95 though, that whole rifle is unique.

Need help identifying a bullet - stanc - 04-10-2018

Kswhitetails Wrote:- REM UMC - 30USA

That headstamp rules out the possibility of it being a Winchester SilverTip, as does the fact that the bullet lacks an aluminum-covered (SilverTip) nose.

If you care to spend the time, perhaps you might find that particular .30 USA/.30 Army/.30 Krag JHP load in one of the old Remington or UMC catalogs.

http://cartridgecollectors.org/ammunition-catalogs/UMC

http://cartridgecollectors.org/ammunition-catalogs/Remington

Suggest starting with the 1910 UMC or 1911-12 Remington catalogs.

Need help identifying a bullet - Sticks - 04-10-2018

I was just about to recommend contacting stanc, but there he is.

Need help identifying a bullet - Kswhitetails - 04-10-2018

stanc Wrote:That headstamp rules out the possibility of it being a Winchester SilverTip, as does the fact that the bullet lacks an aluminum-covered (SilverTip) nose.

(Unless it's reloaded), which in these parts is as likely as not. No way to know for sure. I was skeptical of the factory status at first due to the nickel primer... learned now that's not a good indicator either.

Thanks for the links Stanc, this'll help. Ill throw one to dad to help him pass some time too. The guy who finds it buys.

Need help identifying a bullet - kmon - 04-10-2018

With the pictured round not being crimped I would bet it is a reload or a handload in a virgin piece of brass.

Need help identifying a bullet - RMiller - 04-10-2018

My guess probably and early core lokt.

Didnt the old 170 grain 30-30 look like this also?

I remember shooting a box of these type Remingtons in a 30/30 when I was younger.

Need help identifying a bullet - Wafavre2 - 04-11-2018

I knew I had shot those bullets before. I'm going to say late 70's and I have 12 factory loads.
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Need help identifying a bullet - Kswhitetails - 04-11-2018

Those are close! But still not the same ones. The rounds we've got look almost like there is a steel ball (BB?) inserted into the tip over the core. Strange, nothing like the typical hollow point I'm used to finding. Still haven't heard back from the NRA offices. Could be interesting.

Need help identifying a bullet - Wafavre2 - 04-11-2018

They are the same, the BB is where the lead was pressed down as the final sizing was being done and the hollow point is formed. I'll see if I can get a better photo.

Need help identifying a bullet - Kswhitetails - 04-12-2018

Cool. Know what bullet that is?