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105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - CavityBackBullets - 02-17-2018
These bullets continue to have great success by everyone that try's them.
Almost 2 years in the field with deer, hogs and Elk down, most DRT.
Stable and accurate to 1000 yards at sub .7 MOA.
I keep seeing people here asking for this bullet and that bullet yet a proven high expansion accurate hunting bullet is available and it gets little press here.
Predator Down is the Grendel 1000 yard plus milk jug king and they are all he will hunt with in his Grendel.
Double Naught Spy had great success on hogs with both bullets.
The 118 grain is not to long with the effect of the cavity system, even at 1.349 projectile length because the cavity makes it act like a shorter projectile.
I've seen that comment here a few times but by people that have never even loaded them.
The loads Predator Down took to 1000 yards were loaded at 2.25 OAL.
Proven 2.5x caliber expansion down to 1600 FPS for the 118 MKZ.
That makes it a 450 yards capable hunting bullet out of the Grendel.
Do the math in your favorite ballistics calculator, with .505 true G1 BC.
http://www.cavitybackbullets.com/category-s/107.htm
If you havent tried the CBB MKZ line in your Grendel you should.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - grayfox - 02-17-2018
CBB, glad they are doing well. Honestly however, I looked at them (esp the 105) but they are up to 2x more expensive than others, so I just can't find myself going there.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - Sticks - 02-17-2018
X2.
I can see Hunters going with this, but target shooters putting 1k or more down range per year.... Ouch.
CBB - we get it, cost of materials, and fabrication. No question they are good pills. Just that it is a niche market.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - 6.8 klr - 02-17-2018
Why do a lot of shooters insist on hunting with target/varmint bullets and target shooting with premium Hunting bullets...?
Beer is good, God is Great and people are Crazy.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - rabiddawg - 02-17-2018
grayfox Wrote:CBB, glad they are doing well. Honestly however, I looked at them (esp the 105) but they are up to 2x more expensive than others, so I just can't find myself going there.
I’m in the same boat
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - Sticks - 02-17-2018
6.8 klr Wrote:Why do a lot of shooters insist on hunting with target/varmint bullets and target shooting with premium Hunting bullets...?
Beer is good, God is Great and people are Crazy.
Highest BC one can get in a weight class, terminal performance, cost.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - grayfox - 02-17-2018
Sticks,
"Curiosity was framed. Poor judgement killed the cat."
Great tag line!!!!!
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - Bigs28 - 02-17-2018
I really wanted to try them but with Lehigh defense 110g controlled chaos also being lead free but being half the cost got my purchase.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - grayfox - 02-17-2018
Bigs28 Wrote:I really wanted to try them but with Lehigh defense 110g controlled chaos also being lead free but being half the cost got my purchase.
This is where I went also. I don't hunt (or shoot) to 1000 yds, so if something can cover 300-350 for the Grendel, that brackets all I'm looking for in my lil Grrrrs.
If I need to go, say, 400-425 for an antelope, I would probably go with my Creed, even though my 18" and 20" Grendels could cover it...
I certainly applaud the 1K shooters but am not in that league.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - CavityBackBullets - 02-19-2018
Thank you for all the replies.
It helps me to see which calibers and areas I should put my efforts.
I find it interesting that there is talk about bullets that are more expensive like CE and Warner Tool.
Some twice the price of ours. There are a lot of target shooters shooting both.
Also bullets in the same price range as ours.
While Lehigh is a fine bullet in its own right it does not perform to the level ours do.
Ours retain 99% of their weight, while still dumping all its energy in game.
We have a higher BC, a heavier projectile than the other coppers with more retained energy.
The statement about 1000 yards is to show their accuracy capabilities.
Our MKZ line is meant to be the best hunting bullet you can get.
We have the TMT in 6mm for target use.
I was considering a TMT target bullet for the Grendel as well however it looks like it would not be well received.
Again thank you for your input.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - Keef - 02-19-2018
Can a person buy them as loaded ammo anywhere?
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - CavityBackBullets - 02-19-2018
Keef Wrote:Can a person buy them as loaded ammo anywhere?
We are working on that. There have been quite a few asking for it.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - grayfox - 02-19-2018
You know as I sit here, if we were talking about maybe $0.50 per bullet, instead of $0.70-0.75, that would put them in line with the 129 gr long range Accubond (a premium hunting bullet in the Grendel), and then I could see them being more within a budget like mine.
Just a thought.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - s3silver - 02-20-2018
grayfox Wrote:You know as I sit here, if we were talking about maybe $0.50 per bullet, instead of $0.70-0.75, that would put them in line with the 129 gr long range Accubond (a premium hunting bullet in the Grendel), and then I could see them being more within a budget like mine.
Just a thought.
I agree with this comment. $40 for 100 or $40 for 50 and most folks will probably opt for the $40/ 100. Don't get me wrong, I've played around with the 118 MKZ and they have shot great to 200 yards with less than moa accuracy, but the price point has me looking at other options also.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - Mad Charlie - 02-26-2018
As for myself, I am just getting ready to start working on loads for them. Once I find the most accurate loads with the highest velocity, those will be hunting loads.
Any and all load data will be appreciated...
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - CavityBackBullets - 02-26-2018
Mad Charlie Wrote:As for myself, I am just getting ready to start working on loads for them. Once I find the most accurate loads with the highest velocity, those will be hunting loads.
Any and all load data will be appreciated...
Send me a PM, we will get you going....
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - CavityBackBullets - 02-26-2018
s3silver Wrote:I agree with this comment. $40 for 100 or $40 for 50 and most folks will probably opt for the $40/ 100. Don't get me wrong, I've played around with the 118 MKZ and they have shot great to 200 yards with less than moa accuracy, but the price point has me looking at other options also.
Our bullets are already priced below retail.
The margin is already very small.
There is more machining required than any other bullet but the results are proven.
Our bullets are premium match grade high expansion bullets that extend the usable range of the 6.5 Grendel. To a whopping 450 yards with 99% weight retention!!
It cost more to build bullets that dont come apart, its easier and cheaper to build bullets that do just break into pieces like some of the others mentioned.
Our bullets are designed to promote massive blood loss, have deep penetration, leave a massive blood trail if needed due to poor shot placement or animal movement.
If the shooter does their job there will be no need for a blood trail as the animal will be DRT.
It kills me when folks spend so much money on the rifle of their dreams and choice. So much money to hunt and all the associated gear.
Then do not buy the absolute best bullet available.
Many of you know I started in the variant caliber world on the 6.8 platform. That is where I developed the CBB design.
I worked hard to bring it to the Grendel so that the Grendel community could get the advantage of it as well.
Truth be told the 6.8 120 MKZ is good to about 425 yards, the Grendel 118 MKZ is good to 450 yards. In both calibers it is effective farther out than any other bullet.
When you have that long shot that your not quite sure of and you are shooting our bullets you can take it with confidence.
Inside those ranges you can have the confidence you are using the best bullet available in the 6.5 Grendel.
That's got to be worth something, like a few cents more a bullet.
A quote from RickOshay
"This bullet opened up below 1800 fps, likely to be down in the high 1600s/low 1700s. I do not have any load data for this LFP, but assume one can achieve 2400 fps from a 20” barrel, similar to the 120s listed below. The high BC and low minimum velocity give this MKZ an effective range of 450 yds!"
Many are now getting in the 2600 fps range from a 20in barrel. My personal ARcomp load from an 18in ARP Melonited barrel (they are a fast barrel) is 2550 FPS, my max load CFE load is at 2650. Do the math on those. (no load data to share sorry, the atty says no public data). My point is you can hit 2500 from a 20in easy enough.
The link to his report. Which was at the beginning of bringing the CCB line to the Grendel.The petals are now staying intact to higher speeds and the weight is now where it is supposed to be. As DoubleNaughtSpy found in his use on hogs, yotes and a poor beaver, lol.
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?13324-Lead-Free-Projectiles-for-the-6-5-Grendel&p=146404&viewfull=1#post146404
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - jackthemundy - 02-27-2018
My first box of 118's shipped from the factory yesterday. Looking forward to trying them out. All I'm looking to get is 2475 to 2500 fps out of my 20" barrel with cfe223. That shouldn't be hard to do with all the load data on this site! Then I'll just need some four legged porker friends to come along for the ultimate (and hopefully lethal) test.
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - Mad Charlie - 02-27-2018
CavityBackBullets Wrote:Send me a PM, we will get you going....
I have sent two messages, I don't know if they went through, nothing showing in my sent items box...
105 grain and 118 grain CBB MKZ - NugginFutz - 02-27-2018
Mad Charlie Wrote:I have sent two messages, I don't know if they went through, nothing showing in my sent items box...
You need to tick the "save sent messages" checkbox.