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6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - OldCannon - 10-31-2011
I'm hoping Bill jumps in on this thread. I know that we've all seen the announcements that trademarks for 6.5 Grendel have been released and it will become a SAAMI spec. However, I can't find anything that relates to a PR announcement from Alexander Arms, and the SAAMI site is...well, sterile (probably as it should be, eh?
).Does anybody know if there is an official statement somewhere, other than the joyous news on ARFCOM?
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - LRRPF52 - 10-31-2011
It was announced at the meeting hosted by David Fortier, so I'm not sure I would draw any conclusions based on the lack of website updates of various industry figures, to include SAAMI. Things happen very slowly in this industry.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - bwaites - 10-31-2011
SAAMI takes a while to get anything up. AA just hired Wayne Holt, who used to be at Hornady, to run the PR and commercial side of things. I would believe that they are turning stuff over to Wayne in that regard, and that once he gets his feet wet, the announcement will be made official by AA.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - LRRPF52 - 10-31-2011
In the third interation of the Attention-Deficit Generation, point-and-click is not even fast enough for us nowadays...
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - OldCannon - 10-31-2011
Coming from the tech industry, we don't announce stuff until our PR messaging is teed-up and key messages are aligned. I'm still getting used to how things work in the gun industry. I'd hardly attribute this to any ADD on my part, after all, I'm a mature....ooh! Is that a new Grendel upper? Shiny!
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - RStewart - 10-31-2011
LRRPF52 Wrote:In the third interation of the Attention-Deficit Generation, point-and-click is not even fast enough for us nowadays...
OldCannon Wrote:Coming from the tech industry, we don't announce stuff until our PR messaging is teed-up and key messages are aligned. I'm still getting used to how things work in the gun industry. I'd hardly attribute this to any ADD on my part, after all, I'm a mature....ooh! Is that a new Grendel upper? Shiny!
Thanks for the laugh, guys. I needed it!
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - RStewart - 11-01-2011
OldCannon Wrote:I'm hoping Bill jumps in on this thread. I know that we've all seen the announcements that trademarks for 6.5 Grendel have been released and it will become a SAAMI spec. However, I can't find anything that relates to a PR announcement from Alexander Arms, and the SAAMI site is...well, sterile (probably as it should be, eh?
Does anybody know if there is an official statement somewhere, other than the joyous news on ARFCOM?
It is now listed on the AA website.
http://www.alexanderarms.com/index.php/news-events/111-65-grendel-saami.html
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - OldCannon - 11-01-2011
RStewart Wrote:It is now listed on the AA website.
http://www.alexanderarms.com/index.php/news-events/111-65-grendel-saami.html
Oh, awesome! Thanks, Bill!
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - jwilson1985 - 11-01-2011
now if we can do this with the bewulf so we can have local ammo
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - davidj - 11-01-2011
Congratulations Bill.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - Bill Alexander - 11-01-2011
What! eh!
As usual I am the last to know, was not told that this was happening so this is the first I know about the press release.
Working on new Grendel barrels and a new Beowulf.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - FLDad - 11-04-2011
Now that's funny! Thanks, Bill, for all the fun we've had with the Grendel.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - Texas Sheepdawg - 11-04-2011
Congratulations Bill.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - SCAMP62 - 11-29-2011
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6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - Greybeard - 11-30-2011
The Grendel is still listed at the US Patent and Trademark office. You can check it at http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp.
Until that happens the process will not start. It usually takes about 10 days to handle this but again. Its the first step.
The process is the process. It does not lie.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - OldCannon - 11-30-2011
Greybeard Wrote:The Grendel is still listed at the US Patent and Trademark office. You can check it at http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp.
Until that happens the process will not start. It usually takes about 10 days to handle this but again. Its the first step.
The process is the process. It does not lie.
Believe what you want, but it's a SAAMI cartridge now and AA has explicitly said it "will relinquish its federally-registered trademark and that "6.5 Grendel" is to be the common commercial name for a cartridge that adheres to the specifications adopted by SAAMI."
Further, unless you're manufacturing barrels or ammunition, it didn't affect you anyway.
But thanks for playing The Pedantic Game™.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - Greybeard - 11-30-2011
Hmmm. No one said that they were not going to do it! Did they? Then why the condescending remarks, that is unless you are part of the issue.
All I said was that it was still under patent and trademark coverage. and no one is going to do anything until that is removed. Why take the chance that a lawsuit or damages will occur.
Its not good business.
And just in case you were worried about it...I have 7 Grendels of various sizes and thing it is one of the better cartridges out there.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - pinzgauer - 12-01-2011
No one seems to be concerned that Remington has not release trademark on Fireball. Or Blackout. Or similar with other companies.
There is a difference in allowing free use vs deleting the trademark. I don't know what AA has exactly done, but my understanding is that SAAMI is concerned with allowing free use of the trademark for mfg purposes, not that a trademark exists.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - Greybeard - 12-01-2011
Go to the Patent and Trademark web site and snoop about. Nothing on the term Blackout or Fireball at all but 6.5 Grendel is there in black and white.
The issue is this. No company or individual will touch the system until it is released as a trademark. A lawyer will gladly charge you 300 an hour to tell you why.
The fact that it is released to SAAMI makes no difference until that issue is resolved.
Sorry if I raised a ruckus. I was simply stating a fact that has and will cause some company a headache and lighten their wallet. It happens pretty often in other industries and is well documented.
6.5 Grendel really released to SAAMI? - bwaites - 12-01-2011
Actually, any SAAMI member has no concerns, since the release to SAAMI specifically only applies to SAAMI members, per the SAAMI guidelines.
As for the rest, a public announcement, as stated by the company and widely disseminated, would be impossible to retract under these circumstances. There are already multiple companies announcing or showing SAAMI Grendel rifles, including LAR, one of the largest AR manufacturers in the country.
The paperwork to "officially" remove the Trademark may take some time for the attorneys to work through, including check offs by Alexander Arms attorneys, as well as all the company attornies, ie... Hornady, Wolf, J&T, JP, etc., all of whom hold licensing agreements and financial interest in the Trademark. So far as I am led to understand, there are no roadblocks, just boxes to be checked off and signed off.
I spoke with Bill last night, and he is very happy that the burden to shepherd the Grendel forward is being lifted, and looks forward to it being carried on by the many companies who are recognizing its advantages.