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Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - dobrodan - 09-07-2016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5mm_Grendel Quote:Serbia is in process of adopting rifle made by Zastava Arms [19] in 6.5 mm Grendel caliber as main armament for its armed forces. USA manufactured rifle in 6.5mm Grendel caliber will also be adopted in armament for special forces units after it passes testing in Technical Testing Center. Three types of 6.5mm Grendel ammunition produced by Prvi Partizan Uzice Serbia will be tested for use with this rifles. [20][21][22][23] http://www.vs.rs/index.php?news_article=68a2bb24-50d2-11e6-b66b-001a649ddcfe Google-translate it... I seem to remember mentioning this to be a possible outcome many years ago on the old forum, when we learned that PRVI Partizan was going to make Grendel ammo... http://mondo.rs/a925508/Info/Drustvo/Vojska-Srbije-u-Nikincima-se-ispituje-novo-oruzje.html Article from July about testing guns i various calibres, including 6.5 Grendel. (Use google translate) http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/drustvo/aktuelno.290.html:616909-NATO-puske-vojnim-specijalcima Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - BluntForceTrauma - 09-07-2016 dobrodan Wrote:http://mondo.rs/a925508/Info/Drustvo/Vojska-Srbije-u-Nikincima-se-ispituje-novo-oruzje.html Article from July about testing guns i various calibres, including 6.5 Grendel. (Use google translate) The relevant paragraph straight from Google Translate reads: During shooting examining modernized automatic rifle 7.62 mm and 5.56 mm, a new type of automatic sniper rifles and machine guns 6,5 mm "Grendel", modernized sniper rifles 7.62 mm "Lapua" and modernized guns. Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - stanc - 09-08-2016 dobrodan Wrote:http://www.vs.rs/index.php?news_article=68a2bb24-50d2-11e6-b66b-001a649ddcfe Google-translate it...Couldn't view the photos in the above article, so I did a search that turned up the two images below. The top photo is apparently encrypted, and on a Serb government website. Attempt to go to the site was blocked. Anyway, the partial caption for the top photo translates as: "In comparative testing of modernized automatic rifle, 7.62 mm and 5.56 mm, the new family of automatic sniper rifles and machine guns 6,5 mm Grendel..." Which makes me wonder if the rifle seen at left in the top pic, and right in lower pic, might be in 6.5 Grendel, because of the magazine shape/configuration?
Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - dobrodan - 09-08-2016 Automatic rifle: ![]() ![]() LMG: ![]()
Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - dobrodan - 09-08-2016 Sniper rifle:
Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - stanc - 09-08-2016 None of those photos are viewable on my computer. I guess I'll have to try Tony's forum, to find out if I can view them there. Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - stanc - 09-09-2016 dobrodan Wrote:Automatic rifle:Since the "LMG" photo is of a mag-fed weapon, am I correct in thinking that what you are calling an "automatic rifle" and "LMG" are what Americans would call an "assault rifle" and "automatic rifle"? I guess there is still no belt-fed Grendel LMG? Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - dobrodan - 09-09-2016 That would be my guess, yes. For the LMG, directly translated it would be something like "machine-rifle light" I guess they don“t need a beltfed Grendel, as they have the PKM in 7.62R and eventually in 7.62 NATO should they need it. But I would not be too surprised if they make a Grendel PKM... Pulling a Grendel out of a belt backwards should be very simple... Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - Cockednlocked - 09-11-2016 Rather than a dedicated belt-fed gun, seems the way to go with the Grendel would be a "SAW" version, like the M249, and a large box magazine, although belt-fed also works. Belt fed usually indicates crew served, at least one other to help feed the belt. Box mags are quicker to change and don't require lugging a separate can to contain the belt, or someone to assist feeding it, so mobility is better. Rounds stay cleaner in an enclosed magazine vs a belt, too. Another design alternative would be similar to H&K's HK416, or the IAR, based on the HK416 and designated as the M27 by the USMC. Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - dobrodan - 09-11-2016 A possibility with the PKM-style backward extraction out of the belt, is that you could in theory encapsulate the cartridge in a thin plastic container, exposing only the rearmost part of the cartridge with the rim and the primer. Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - stanc - 09-11-2016 dobrodan Wrote:A possibility with the PKM-style backward extraction out of the belt, is that you could in theory encapsulate the cartridge in a thin plastic container, exposing only the rearmost part of the cartridge with the rim and the primer.To accomplish what? Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - dobrodan - 09-12-2016 To keep the ammo clean until it is ready to be used. The plastic container would be both a container and a link in the belt, at theoretically no extra weight or cost compared to a metal-linked belt. Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - montana - 09-29-2016 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/29/serbia-first-nation-adopt-6-5mm-grendel/ Look's like it is a go for Serbia. Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - biodsl - 09-30-2016 How cool is that? Sweet. Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - stanc - 09-30-2016 montana Wrote:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/29/serbia-first-nation-adopt-6-5mm-grendel/Unfortunately, there is no confirmation or new information in that blog. The two articles cited by the author are the same ones linked in the OP. Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - stanc - 11-11-2016 Photos of the new Serbian AK's (w/changeable barrels) that are reportedly meant to use up existing 7.62x39 ammo stocks before the eventual switch to 6.5 Grendel. http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/?msg=6807.1 Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - dobrodan - 11-13-2016 http://www.blic.rs/vesti/drustvo/vojska-srbije-testira-se-novo-modernije-oruzje/svmw6e6 Google-translated: Quote:SERBIAN ARMY: Testing of the new, modern weapons Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - NugginFutz - 11-13-2016 Quote:Domestic manufacturers Yep: We've known that for quite some while. Quote:Bullet "Grendel"Really trying to figure out who/what they're talking about on this. If I get what the author means, he's saying that "Americans" and whatever round they're using claim it will have a drop of 1.2 meters over a 600 meter range. Using the flattest shooting ammo I can find (123 Scenar@ 2500 fps) I come up with 2.6 meters of drop - more than double the author's numbers. Troubling, as he doesn't cite who is claiming this miracle. Quote:This means that weapons can hit the target man-sized or smaller vehicle without setting the target mark (which is the most rifles adjusted by increments of 100 meters), at all distances from zero to 600 meters.The author is essentially claiming a PBR of 600 meters. No wonder he thinks the Grendel can defy nature. Seriously, I love this round, but 600 meter point blank range?!! Claims like this are why some people have credibility issues with proponents of the Grendel. Quote:Serbia, as well as many countries in the world, working to improve small arms, and the fact that domestic companies and experts picked the bullet type "Grendel," to whom no one in the world has found a flaw, suggesting that the Army of Serbia in the future have a very good and reliable weapon, according to RTS.Their experts chose the round, but it certainly has not been without its detractors. To claim that "no one in the world has found a flaw" is, well, just naive. RTS, which is a Russian language paper, is being cited for this high praise of the Grendel, but I haven't located the source article, yet. I have, though, seen what I consider element zero, which is the Serbian Army's website (discussed earlier in this and in other threads). <Link> It supports the gist of what this article says, but I think what we really have here is a case of a Serbian Grendel fanboy gushing at a Serbian journalist who doesn't really understand ballistics. It's a shame, really, because the article could have stood on its own merits, even without the (slight) exaggerations. Thanks for the link, Dan. Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - dobrodan - 11-13-2016 I think what they mean is that the trajectory (if zeroed at 600m) is never higher than 1.2m above the line of aim. Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge - stanc - 11-13-2016 NugginFutz Wrote:Really trying to figure out who/what they're talking about on this. If I get what the author means, he's saying that "Americans" and whatever round they're using claim it will have a drop of 1.2 meters over a 600 meter range. Using the flattest shooting ammo I can find (123 Scenar@ 2500 fps) I come up with 2.6 meters of drop - more than double the author's numbers. Troubling, as he doesn't cite who is claiming this miracle.Since it says "high trajectory of 1.2 meters," I read that as the maximum height of the bullet's trajectory when fired at a 600-meter target, not the drop at 600 meters. |