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Todays laugh! - Bwild97 - 11-02-2015
Is this guy for real? Smh!
This link should give a better view. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_FqSfuFWgYBa0xGQldMbGJyVzQ/view?usp=docslist_api
Todays laugh! - lawndartmike - 11-02-2015
Can't see the picture.
Todays laugh! - Bwild97 - 11-02-2015
Try the link.
Todays laugh! - LRRPF52 - 11-02-2015
That's going to go over well with AR15.com site staff. They have banned him at least 3 times from that site already, the first time being for posting customer name, address, and personal info to "punish" that customer when the guy had an issue with one of ARP's bolts.
Look at the hate page he has for me, a customer who has bought well over $1000 in barrels and parts from him back in the day before I knew what type of character he was. Lessons learned the hard way.
Todays laugh! - Fredman - 11-02-2015
You know, for a Nightforce scope, I might say something good about the 6.8... Of course I don't own one. That's good.
Todays laugh! - montana - 11-02-2015
LRRPF52 Wrote:That's going to go over well with AR15.com site staff. They have banned him at least 3 times from that site already, the first time being for posting customer name, address, and personal info to "punish" that customer when the guy had an issue with one of ARP's bolts.
Look at the hate page he has for me, a customer who has bought well over $1000 in barrels and parts from him back in the day before I knew what type of character he was. Lessons learned the hard way.
I think he has a deeper problem. I truly hope he can over come it someday. In the end this type of behavior always comes back to bite them. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/out-the-darkness/201201/slighting-the-dangers-being-disrespected
Todays laugh! - NugginFutz - 11-03-2015
Must've got some attention over there at the 68forum. They've moved that post into constructor's sub board, where he was kind enough to hide his marching orders to his minions.
Todays laugh! - leftyman - 11-12-2015
this guy has a serious obsession with lrrpf52. I'm positive one could scour all the forums to pick and choose what to post. EVERY platform has its pros and cons. I read the hate and just laughed. Poor buggar, i hope he can work out these issues. Life is too short to hate that much.
Todays laugh! - Bwild97 - 11-13-2015
The one thing that I found most entertaining is how he went from "Hey guys, we need to boost discussion regarding our beloved 6.8spc on other forums" to "I'll give every person who post's a positive review about ...MY... 6.8spc products, a muzzle device of their choice!
What a Shyster!!
Todays laugh! - JASmith - 11-14-2015
Bwild97 Wrote:...What a Shyster!!"Shyster" or desperate?
Todays laugh! - NugginFutz - 11-14-2015
JASmith Wrote:"Shyster" or desperate?
Yes
Todays laugh! - IceAxe - 11-15-2015
I bought one of his 800 series bolts for a 450 Bushmaster build. I really liked the larger size or radius on the bolt along with the sinusoidal shape. I felt it would relieve any concerns I might have on the higher bolt force with that diameter of a 450 round. The bolt looked like art work but threads on the extension looked a little rough, the folks (Jay) at BHW said it would be fine so I finished the build. A buddy of mine also bought a couple of the same bolts for a 450 bushy and a 458 socom done by BHW at the same time. He complained about the threads to ARP and the bolt disappeared the site. I am not sure what was said or if feelings were hurt (probably). I think the design is one of the best I have seen, I have thought several times about calling to see if he would do a Grendel bolt, though at this point I might just be poking the bear. Its a shame though as we as the AR community all lose over some personality rub. By the way all three of the big bores we put together are running great with the 800 bolts. I personally think the Grendel would benefit by an offering in the 800 series, I for one would buy one now if I could get one in the proper bolt face. My last hope is that maybe Faxon will make a move in that direction. Here's Praying.
Todays laugh! - Bwild97 - 11-15-2015
I don't believe that bolts for the 6.5 Grendel need any modification "improvements" or any other caliber in the AR15 for that matter, just higer QC standards. When bolts break, they break for a reason; mostly due to out of square receiver faces and improper extension geometry. Not because the design is inherently weak.
The bolt in my first grendel has 5k+ rounds on it, second has 1200 rnds and the bolt I received in the Lilja short barrel group buy has 500rnds on it.
A friend of mine has 2500 rnds of .50 Beowulf on his bolt, the very same bolt the 6.5 Grendel uses. The bolts are not weak, but assembly and QC practices can be.
Todays laugh! - cory - 11-15-2015
While the Grendel Bolt certainly fits the bill for what is needed. I completely disagree about the design. The design is inherently weak. To many right angles. The bolt lugs should be much more rounded with fewer, wider lugs.
Todays laugh! - bwaites - 11-15-2015
cory Wrote:While the Grendel Bolt certainly fits the bill for what is needed. I completely disagree about the design. The design is inherently weak. To many right angles. The bolt lugs should be much more rounded with fewer, wider lugs.
Well....Yes, but that's the nature of the AR bolt. M4 bolt life is significantly less than AR15 or even M16 bolts. They all run close to the edge of metallurgical limits.
Todays laugh! - cory - 11-15-2015
Agreed. I guess I should have clarified my last a little better. I was referring to all AR15/M16/M4 bolts when I said "The bolt lugs should be much rounded with fewer, wider lugs. (Without the grammatical error. haha)"
Todays laugh! - IceAxe - 11-15-2015
From what I have researched all the enhanced bolts that are made to fit the mil spec extension have experienced breakages, even Sharps new highly radius-ed bolt, without regard to the material. My preference would be for a hybrid that gives up some of the extensions inside radius for expanding the bolt's outside radius. Though I have never broken any bolt personally, what I have seen would indicate a weakness or a higher stress being applied on either side of the extractor. Physics tells me that if I double the diameter of the cartridge I will get 4 times the area or force at a given pressure. Why not build a better bolt?
Todays laugh! - LRRPF52 - 11-16-2015
IceAxe Wrote:From what I have researched all the enhanced bolts that are made to fit the mil spec extension have experienced breakages, even Sharps new highly radius-ed bolt, without regard to the material. My preference would be for a hybrid that gives up some of the extensions inside radius for expanding the bolt's outside radius. Though I have never broken any bolt personally, what I have seen would indicate a weakness or a higher stress being applied on either side of the extractor. Physics tells me that if I double the diameter of the cartridge I will get 4 times the area or force at a given pressure. Why not build a better bolt?
That Relia-bolt proved to be one of the most brekage-prone bolts on the market, for a premium price too. The choice of steel was not really an appropriate one for starters. Upward learning curve on heat treating with S7 on such small AR15 lug geometry also seemed to contribute to the failures.
The only bolts I have broken in the AR15 have been in 5.56 chambered guns run on a tortuous firing schedule, CLGS, with a lot of M855 and Winchester White Box. The AR15 was designed at a time when the final SCHV cartridge had not been realized yet, and was built around .222 Remington with 50,000psi SAAMI MAP (Maximum Average Pressure or working pressure of the cartridge set by SAAMI).
Are you talking about increasing bolt body diameter, or outer diameter of the bolt lugs?
Knights Armament did a nice approach to this with their E3 bolt and extension.
![[Image: E3Bolt.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/E3Bolt.jpg)
LMT also uses Aermet alloy on their enhanced bolts, which is a good prescription for the 7.62x39 guns, but extractors still break with the .124" bolt face depth limitations on extractor lip geometry, and the enhanced LMT bolt extractors are proprietary lobster tail designs.
![[Image: l7q3b_5.56_enhanced_bolt_assy_thumb.jpg]](http://www.lmtstore.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/7/l7q3b_5.56_enhanced_bolt_assy_thumb.jpg)
Todays laugh! - IceAxe - 11-16-2015
I was thinking the outer diameter of the bolt lugs. I like the looks of the faxon bolt used in the arak, though I am not sure what diameter is used. I recognize that is a piston system with a propriatary upper. I can't find any evidence of a mil spec extension ever failing as in breaking a lug. I think some material could be "traded" from the extension to bolt lugs. As the outer radius of the bolt lugs increases it would also scale to a wider lug.
I am not familiar with the E3...are these available with an extension?
Todays laugh! - IceAxe - 11-16-2015
Thanks for the tip on the E3, I sent them an email to see if I can get one with the extension and any other requisite parts.