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Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - stanc - 08-25-2019
Sinclair Wrote:I have noticed that you Army and Marine Vets seem to ignore the fact that there are other branches of the Service and just because individual Combat with the enemy is not their primary role they get the left overs (from the previous war).It's not that. I had heard that the Navy has traditionally been low on the totem pole when it comes to small arms. I was just surprised they would still be using '03 Springfields when anyone alive now was in boot camp. I would've thought they'd have had M1 Garands by then.
My only exposure to the USN was when I was stationed on Midway Island for a year, during which time I never saw them with any rifles. But then, we took our M1 carbines to the range only once during that time, so the sailors probably were equally unaware of what we had.
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - Popeye212 - 08-25-2019
grayfox Wrote:After??
somewhere after the Great war! hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Pershing was still around!!! JK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe San Juan Hill? Must been heavy goin up that sucker!
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - Fess - 08-26-2019
Gee, I guess that it would be rude to ask anyone here if the clouds of smoke from their Springfield Trapdoor made aiming difficult!
I shot air rifles a lot as a kid. I eventually realized that the main reason I never really became fond of the .223 was that the holes it made in the target were too small. They looked too much like the ones from a .22 pellet. When I shot a firearm, I wanted a bigger hole, dammit!
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - LR1955 - 08-26-2019
OK Guys:
Time to put this one back on track.
Keep the discussion focused on the topic please.
LR55
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - LR1955 - 08-26-2019
n9nwo:
Not sure why you defied my request to keep the thread on topic but you did.
I am banning you for one month.
LR55
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - stanc - 08-29-2019
MARS/Cobalt 6.8 NGSW candidates - https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/08/28/mars-inc-and-cobalt-kinetics-submit-new-carbine-and-lmg-for-us-army-ngsw-program/
![[Image: MARS-Cobalt-NGSW-R-2.jpg]](https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/MARS-Cobalt-NGSW-R-2.jpg)
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - VASCAR2 - 08-29-2019
So much for intermediate cartridge and being able to carry more ammo. With shoulder fired rocket propelled grenades, 40 MM grenades and mortars I see this concept as a big step backwards if considered for general issue. Can you imagine trying to carry six extra loaded 20 round mags. This is the opposite of OICW but just as bad IMHO.
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - Fess - 08-29-2019
Imagine trying to carry this rifle after it is mounted in a "steerable chassis" like the Aimloc MRR. As near as I can tell, electronics would determine exactly where the rifle should be pointed, then move it to make minor position adjustments before it is fired.
https://www.aim-lock.com/mrr
A recent army presentation included a system like this as one of the options to be considered.
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - stanc - 08-30-2019
VASCAR2 Wrote:So much for intermediate cartridge and being able to carry more ammo.Times change, and so do requirements. Intermediate power cartridges can't defeat hard armor at range.
VASCAR2 Wrote:Can you imagine trying to carry six extra loaded 20 round mags.Yeah, it'll be interesting to see just what kind of magazine pouch arrangement the Army intends to use.
Maybe something like this?
[video=youtube;IJniNs4ZkHk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJniNs4ZkHk[/video]
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - stanc - 08-30-2019
NGSW contracts awarded to SIG Sauer, AAI, and General Dynamics.
Quote:No value for the OTAs has been disclosed and the notice states that delivery of the prototype weapons within 27 months, this is in line with the Army?s stated aim of having the first unit equipped in FY2022. The ?Acquisition Objective? is to procure 85,986 systems (including an undisclosed number of rifles and automatic rifles) with an initial ?Acquisition Procurement Objective? of 17,972 systems.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/08/29/ngsw-program/
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - A5BLASTER - 08-30-2019
I will be the first to admit I don't know what our warfighters need.
But that thing looks like very far backstep in tech.
I thought the whole idea was to have a light weight weapon that a grunt could carry alot of ammo for and could defeat bad guys inside 300 meters?
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - stanc - 08-30-2019
A5BLASTER Wrote:I thought the whole idea was to have a light weight weapon that a grunt could carry alot of ammo for and could defeat bad guys inside 300 meters?That used to be the idea. That changed with the perceived need to defeat modern hard body armor.
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - A5BLASTER - 08-30-2019
stanc Wrote:That used to be the idea. That changed with the perceived need to defeat modern hard body armor.
So is there any imperial test data to show that 556 NATO ammo doesn't defeat that armor inside of 300 meters?
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - stanc - 08-30-2019
The Army wants the capability to penetrate body armor at ranges well beyond what even the best 5.56 AP ammo can.
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - stanc - 08-31-2019
http://soldiersystems.net/2019/08/30/us-army-selects-three-companies-to-vie-for-next-generation-squad-weapons-to-replace-m249-and-m4/
SHORT-N-SASSY will like this part: GD's submission is reportedly a bullpup...
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - SHORT-N-SASSY - 08-31-2019
![[Image: n-future.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/NM6v4HD7/n-future.png)
![[Image: miill-pups.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/gkDPkH8b/miill-pups.png)
< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullpup >
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - stanc - 08-31-2019
https://www.armytimes.com/off-duty/gearscout/irons/2019/08/30/the-army-just-got-closer-to-ditching-the-m4-and-saw-for-a-next-generation-weapon/
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - Gusmeister - 08-31-2019
I really hope they can pull it off as advertised. But to be fair it seems a tremendous leap on many levels. Big shoes to fill even before the new designs are 1% better.
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - stanc - 09-03-2019
https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/sig-sauer-selected-by-u-s-army-for-next-generation-weapons-with-new-ammunition-technology-lightweight-machine-gun-rifle-and-suppressors/?utm_campaign=NextGenWeapons&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua
Tactical Life posts that the military is changing to the 6.8 in SAW and M4 - stanc - 09-04-2019
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/09/03/sig-sauer-ngsw-prototype/
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