LRRPF52 Wrote:Hey! I wish my guns looked like that! I don't seem to have the time to ever do it though?

I think something's wrong with it, so I'm gonna need it back to get to the bottom of it. Fill that rucksack up with some test ammo, and we'll get 'er straightened out....

LRRPF52 Wrote:The ATF has made these "rulings" without any judicial oversight. They are not part of the legislative branch, and they have their own court system. If they want to steal your assets, charge you, etc., it doesn't matter what any of the merits of the case are, as they are an unchecked continuing criminal enterprise.

They also strong-arm FFL dealers into being Confidential Informants for them, in exchange for being "allowed" to continue their business and not be arrested on trumped up charges. Dealing with the ATF is a double-edged sword that can turn on you with the simple change of a SAIC or lower manager in your Federal Region, and none of the Federal Regions are on the same sheet of music. They regularly ignore Firearms Technology Branch in D.C., and most SAIC's are totally ignorant of FTB anyway, since none of them are gun guys. The SAICs are political appointees exercising the will of the Attorney General in most cases.

In this climate, we have an Attorney General who is a criminal himself, who ordered multiple programs to allow weapons to be sold to straw-purchasers for the cartels.

During the Clinton years, the AG ordered ATF to systematically go after FFL's in Idaho after Ruby Ridge, which they did. The facts don't matter, only ATF court matters, and if you're in ATF court, you will lose. It's a double-edged sword, dealing with ATF. One moment you think they're your friends, then a new SAIC comes in, and your FFL is revoked. They've done it for simple reasons like saying that your 4473's are out of alphabetical order.

Following the ATF's extrajudical "rulings" may or may not protect you. In the long run, they will shut most FFL's down, only for another batch to start up and repeat the process. Licking the boots of the ATF can buy you some time, but they are criminals at the end of the day, so you can't trust a dog that is known to bite.

There are assumptions being made about the Grendel in the OP, that are way off base, with regard to being sent in the mail, profit, chain of custody, etc., but keep accusing people of crimes on behalf of the ATF. It's good to see where people stand on these issues.

One thing I have found useful is a post history, when determining why someone would defecate all over a thread. That feature will explain right away why it was done in this one.

bwaites Wrote:Ridgerider,

As I stated earlier, we are done discussing the ATF in my thread.