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Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - Drift - 01-02-2016
I'm going to respectfully make some points about the 6.5 Grendel and the Howa rifles. (First point) The 6.5 Grendel was made to wring every last drop of performance out of the AR family of rifles. (2) There is no evidence that the maximum performance obtainable from the 6.5 Grendel is obtained using the AR family; indeed, up to this point, the only factory rifles for the 6.5 Grendel has been the AR. (3) Howa rifles shooting the 6.5 Grendel will either perform worse,the same or better than the AR.
I conclude that if Howa does it right, this combination of micro action +6.5 Grendel could be as successful as the .308 after leaving the M14! This rifle if done right, could weigh less then the 30 30 point like the the 30 30 have less recoil and still take deer/hogs at 5 times the range of the 30 30. Oh and it could double as a heckofa varmint gun.
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - FW Conch - 01-02-2016
^ I heard dat ! :-) ^
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - southern180 - 01-02-2016
Matt @ LSI Wrote:Howa does not sell to the public. We are selling the mini action barreled actions if you wish to go that route.
Please the PN for barreled action only
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - MrDraco - 01-02-2016
southern180 Wrote:Please the PN for barreled action only
Agreed. I don't like synthetic stocks so the first thing I do on my rifles is buy a replacement stock. Just buying the barreled action saves me some money.
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - BjornF16 - 01-02-2016
I've recommended my oldest son to look at this rifle (22" standard profile) versus getting a 308 Win that he had been planning on. Primarily because he has young kids who are getting into shooting and I think the Grendel would be perfect platform for them to move into from .22 LR.
Personally, I would rather see the Grendel on the short action versus micro action as it is only 3 oz heavier and has a longer magazine length for hand loaders. 2.30" COAL micro action limitation of magazine could be a turn off for hand loaders. Von Gruff gets 2.405" COAL in his Grendel Max . I've loaded over 2.35" in my Savage "Grendel" so far.
Von Gruff's magazine length:
Quote:This will get me the OAL for the Grendel-Max at 2.405 COAL with 2.470 internal mag length.
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?3002-Bolt-rifle-for-dedicated-handloaders&p=36528&viewfull=1#post36528
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - BjornF16 - 01-02-2016
adamjp Wrote:The locking lugs of a Howa Mini are smaller than a standard Howa. Not only is the action less length, but thinner as well.
As for pushing the Grendel case. I've been running the bolt action Grendel for some time now and my best loads do not exceed published load data for the AR15 based Grendel. I do seem to get more velocity, but I put that down in part to the 21in barrel and the complete absence of a gas system to feed.
If you are looking for 200fps more velocity for a 120gn bullet out of a Howa over your AR15 Grendel I strongly suggest you buy a 260 Remington/6.5x55 Swede. The Howa Mini chambered in Grendel isn't going to do it (and have the cases last more than 3x reloads).
Maybe not with micro action, but I believe it is more than achievable with a short action. I was getting +200 fps over published Hornady load for 129 Interbond using CFE 223; I could go higher with other powders listed. See http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?7319-Bolt-action-Hornady-129-Interbond-load
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - Matt @ LSI - 01-04-2016
MrDraco Wrote:Agreed. I don't like synthetic stocks so the first thing I do on my rifles is buy a replacement stock. Just buying the barreled action saves me some money.
here you go!
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sorry, have not updated the ROT for the grendels but it is in fact 1-8" twist and the magazines that come with the grendels are in fact 5rd's
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - Stevil - 01-04-2016
Damn only 3.6lbs, well done Matt, chuck it in a custom 1lb Carbon fibre stock, 8oz Loopy 2-7, 2oz Talley rings.....
Im getting a package that comes in just over 5lbs !!! bloody ripper
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - A5BLASTER - 01-04-2016
Are the barreled actions released for sale yet or are yall waiting to release them at the same time as the grendel rifle yall are building.
Either way one of these will be mine lol maybe even two
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - Stevil - 01-04-2016
Im having the same thoughts too A5BLASTER, a HB for range work and a lightweight for walking around. And a bunch of different stocks they can be thrown in depending upon the application.
Hey Matt the list shows only the Blued actions, will the Stainless be released at the same time ?
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - Matt @ LSI - 01-04-2016
A5BLASTER Wrote:Are the barreled actions released for sale yet or are yall waiting to release them at the same time as the grendel rifle yall are building.
Either way one of these will be mine lol maybe even two
we dont have any barreled actions at this time. we used the barreled actions to drop into stock to make them a complete rifle. all we receive from Howa is barreled actions. they will be here within 6 months.
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - Matt @ LSI - 01-04-2016
Stevil Wrote:Im having the same thoughts too A5BLASTER, a HB for range work and a lightweight for walking around. And a bunch of different stocks they can be thrown in depending upon the application.
Hey Matt the list shows only the Blued actions, will the Stainless be released at the same time ?
stainless is not an option for the mini action at this time and also we do not have plans to make a stainless barreled action. we have even pulled stainless barreled action from our entire line-up of Howa barreled actions and are now cerakoting them in-house.
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - Matt @ LSI - 01-04-2016
what i have listed part number wise ius the COMEPLETE list of mini actions that we will have for 2016, if you do not see a variation on there, we do not offer it.
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - Sputnik - 01-05-2016
There are plenty of stocks for a Howa 1500 short action barreled action, who makes quality stocks for the HB mini?
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - kmon - 01-05-2016
BluntForceTrauma Wrote:AJP, good info. My guess was simply based on examining the bolt length comparison in their catalog. I'm a bit surprised they'd go that route, but truly scaling down the whole action is understandable.
I'm not really feeling the need to hot-rod; if I was, as you say, it's best to step up to the next cartridge class, but it would be nice to know the capability is there to at least match what the brass can handle.
If I wanted to hot-rod it in a bolt action to say 60,000psi like a lot of bolt gun rounds are chambered for skip the mini or micro actions for the Grendel and do a build on a Savage or Remington 700, Dakota will build a real sweet Grendel for enough $$$. Those actions can take the added pressure and do with their larger bolt lugs in lots of other cartridges with larger case heads. There are some that are loading the CZ actions hot but I like my gun too much to push it too far, for that in 6.5s there is already a 6.5-284 and 264 Win Mag in the safe. I will take my CZ a bit higher than the max loads for the AR but not much. Just my 2 cents
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - MrDraco - 01-05-2016
Matt @ LSI Wrote:here you go!
sorry, have not updated the ROT for the grendels but it is in fact 1-8" twist and the magazines that come with the grendels are in fact 5rd's
Awesome, thanks. When Boyds start selling replacement stocks, I'll be getting the heavy barrel.
Sputnik Wrote:There are plenty of stocks for a Howa 1500 short action barreled action, who makes quality stocks for the HB mini?
Good question. With the mini action being so new, I don't think anyone does right now, or at least none that I can find.
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - BluntForceTrauma - 01-05-2016
kmon Wrote:I will take my CZ a bit higher than the max loads for the AR but not much.
Let me pull down some arbitrary numbers just to help focus the discussion. If we operate under the assumption that Hornady, Lapua, PPU and Nosler 6.5 Grendel BRASS — not talking about AR15 bolt — can easily handle 60,000 psi pressure rounds or whatever they shoot 6mmPPC at, what are the pros and cons of loading to, oh, 58,500 in a new Howa Mini-Action (MA)?
The expectation would be to gain 100-200 fps more velocity. (This assumes the next step up, something like the 6.5 Creedmoor, gains 350-450 fps per bullet in equal-length barrels at about 60,000 psi vs. the 65G. And feel free to question my assumptions! Let's get on the same page — this isn't ARF.com.)
Is this doable in the MA? Doable with caveats? Insane?
Let's explore this from a technical perspective.
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - Matt @ LSI - 01-05-2016
Sputnik Wrote:There are plenty of stocks for a Howa 1500 short action barreled action, who makes quality stocks for the HB mini?
No one besides us has a stock for the Mini Action. Stock manufacturers may make you a stock if you send them your barreled action, your first born and a second mortgage.
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - am4966 - 01-05-2016
Hmm, Howa MA shoot it for awhile and get you a Bartlien or Hawk Hill 22" barrel to replace the factory. Then slowly add new aftermarket parts as they come available.
6.5 TBAC Ultra 7" thing of beauty
@ Matt@LSI what is the diameter of the heavy Barrel or who's contours are you guys using? Thanks and I know I speak for the rest of the fellas it's great to have you here and hope you stay a permanently!
Howa mini-action in grendel to be released in mid-2016 - LRRPF52 - 01-05-2016
BluntForceTrauma Wrote:Let me pull down some arbitrary numbers just to help focus the discussion. If we operate under the assumption that Hornady, Lapua, PPU and Nosler 6.5 Grendel BRASS — not talking about AR15 bolt — can easily handle 60,000 psi pressure rounds or whatever they shoot 6mmPPC at, what are the pros and cons of loading to, oh, 58,500 in a new Howa Mini-Action (MA)?
The expectation would be to gain 100-200 fps more velocity. (This assumes the next step up, something like the 6.5 Creedmoor, gains 350-450 fps per bullet in equal-length barrels at about 60,000 psi vs. the 65G. And feel free to question my assumptions! Let's get on the same page — this isn't ARF.com.)
Is this doable in the MA? Doable with caveats? Insane?
The thing that happens when you push the pressures in a lightweight rifle is that recoil becomes more abrupt. For me personally, I've become more of a fan of a very balanced gun that handles well, so I can spot my own hits without use of a muzzle brake, while still not having offensive muzzle blast. When you keep things tame, it is much easier to shoot the rifle repeatedly, which builds confidence and increases hit probability.
Let the BC and projectile weight do most of the work. We really don't need much speed at all for the common hunting distances. Where speed comes more into play is with long range shooting. Spit the 129gr ABLR out at 2300-2500fps and you have a great little cartridge with a lot of reach. Since it expands down to 1300fps, it will do more than most shooters would ever dream of when looking at engagement range on animals.
One other con to higher pressures is throat wear and barrel life. I personally don't want to chase a throat with seating depth as time goes on if I can prevent it.