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Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - Keep The Change - 08-20-2014
Yes it's a bit confusing. I had to sit and visualize this for awhile since I don't really want to take one of mine apart to prove it to myself.
The Reaction Rod does provide some benefit, but I think the clamping method works just fine IMO.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - rasp65 - 08-21-2014
After reading all the opinions I think the way to go is using the clamshell , reaction rod, and barrel vise at the same time.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - Keep The Change - 08-21-2014
Clamshell and rxn rod would be sufficient for barrel installation.
Barrel vise if changing muzzle device.
Why not have a reaction rod with 2 flats milled, so you could put an open end wrench on it?
Have the clamshell clamped in the vice, then use the reaction rod and an open end wrench to counter act torque created by friction between flange and barrel nut.
I think it is over kill, but if you are trying to get a loctited barrel off it might be a thought.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - Wheelhorse - 08-22-2014
Someone knowing nothing about AR's might read this thread and come to the conclusion that they are the biggest POS ever.
Perhaps I'm just lucky I don't know, but I have removed and installed several barrels using both methods and have yet to damage anything.
I have yet to meet one with Loctite though, and I'm sure that would make a difference.
When the pin shears does it damage the receiver?
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - Variable - 08-22-2014
Meet Loctite.LOL
![[Image: loctitecrazyness.jpg]](http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn291/Variable556/Grendel/loctitecrazyness.jpg)
That pic is of an AA upper I had to bust down for a rail and other stuff. I broke two wrenches on that one IIRC. I was pretty pissed. I felt damn near certain I'd snap the upper receiver extension off, but I got lucky.
Sometimes a sheared pin goes with a damaged notch, and sometimes not.
ETA: for anyone new to ARs--- The AR definitely isn't a P.O.S. It's just so widely popular there are umpteen million parts for it, from many, many suppliers. There are many different techniques people apply also, and sometimes parts and techniques collide.LOL
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - Wheelhorse - 08-22-2014
Yep. Like most everything else, someone doing something stupid causes many of the problems.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - Keep The Change - 08-22-2014
Really for typical barrel install and removal, the clamshell and or LRRFP52's cutting board picture, will do fine. The reaction rod is fine as well by itself. Both methods take one component of the torque out of the equation.
I believe for stubborn or loctited barrels, the protocol is to use some heat to break it loose.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - montana - 08-22-2014
Many moons ago a friend of mine torqued his barrel nut as hard as he could with out using any grease, anti seize, or oil on his first Olympic arms build. Years later he removed his barrel and sections of the upper receiver threads pulled away. The barrel stud was fine as was the slot for the barrel stud on the upper receiver. I would have junked the upper at that moment but he decided to use it and mount another barrel on it. He doesn't shoot it a lot and uses it as a beat around pickup gun. I would never trust this upper and is the example why I would never purchase a Franken gun unless I knew the builder was competent.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - rasp65 - 08-31-2014
Here is Magpul's new vice block http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/08/29/magpul-ar-wrench-bev-block/
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - Wheelhorse - 09-01-2014
I believe I'll pass.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - montana - 09-01-2014
rasp65 Wrote:Here is Magpul's new vice block http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/08/29/magpul-ar-wrench-bev-block/
Getting to be a lot of choices, thanks for the heads up.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - pinzgauer - 09-01-2014
The magpul block looks like it would combine the advantages of the reaction rod and some aspects of the ones that hold the receiver. IE: It should keep major torque off the index pin/notch as it appears to prevent the upper from rotating as well.
Given it's polymer I wonder how much flex, but I'm not in the 80lbs of torque camp so it could be OK... I torque to a minimum then additional torque enough to align the gas tube.
Thinking about it, seems like a reaction rod type could have an insert made for the receiver that you'd secure with a pin. Do the same thing, keep the receiver from rotating.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - NugginFutz - 09-01-2014
+1
The fact that it secures the upper to prevent it from rotating with the torque stresses seems like a good plan. I personally don't see the use of polymers in the construction as a source of concern, since it appears the component with the steel lugs is embedded, and likely adds to the overall stiffness. It's too bad the BCG is employed for longitudinal stabilization, though, as that precludes using a surrogate gas tube to facilitate easier indexing of the barrel nut. At $50, it is quite tempting.
The armorer's tool seems to be solid, as well, but $80 for a wrench seems high to me.
Quote:Thinking about it, seems like a reaction rod type could have an insert made for the receiver that you'd secure with a pin. Do the same thing, keep the receiver from rotating.
You mean something like this?
![[Image: 131912dc942f79d722b011eaa8135674_zpsa8f0fcac.jpg]](http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn291/Variable556/Grendel/131912dc942f79d722b011eaa8135674_zpsa8f0fcac.jpg)
An insert would require the reaction rods have something for the insert to work against. A ridge or protrusion on the rod of some sort would need to be machined or welded for that insert to provide additional counter torque.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - KentuckyBuddha - 09-01-2014
I would happily pay $80 or more for the one on that Windham Weaponry factory tour video that shows that jig used in the making of a weapon. Sadly I can't find anything that remotely appears of the same quality.
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - burkew23 - 09-27-2014
Just stumbled across this and thought it was pretty comparable to a clamshell vise. And reasonably priced! A little more versatile than a clamshell vise too. What do ya'll think? Is it worth it?
http://www.plastixrevolution.net/products/ar-15-upper-receiver-vise-block
Have you ever heard of bending an Upper receiver? - Variable - 09-27-2014
burkew23 Wrote:Just stumbled across this and thought it was pretty comparable to a clamshell vise. And reasonably priced! A little more versatile than a clamshell vise too. What do ya'll think? Is it worth it?
http://www.plastixrevolution.net/products/ar-15-upper-receiver-vise-block
I don't know. Just looking at it--- During barrel procedures it appears to place the force against the takedown lugs (normally bad) and makes up for it by also bearing some of the load against the top rail. That might be okay if they work together equally. If the fit isn't good it could be bad though. Hard to say (IMO) without actually giving it a hands on trial.
Certainly cheap enough. It might work well, or it might break off a receiver lug if you really reef on it. Someone will have to be a guinea pig (not me).
