Dug Silverman Wrote:52, great post. I knew our covid numbers were being misrepresented, but never thought it was to that extent.

Let’s not forget, the radical left controls the media in the United States, and have a long standing tradition of creating emergencies to cause panic, and create an opportunity to push legislation that would never otherwise be considered. They have used a global pandemic to push their positions in a way we’ve never seen before. On top of causing/allowing riots and violent protests, they are monetizing covid in the hospitals to the tune of thousands of dollars for a positive test, and tens of thousands of dollars for a covid death. While some agendas are saved by under reporting covid deaths, others are empowered with over reporting. If we actually knew the death rate of covid patients, I think we would be surprised indeed.

To our members in other countries: things look bad from the outside. We know. Our media is incredibly dishonest and one sided. They show zero regard for truth in reporting, in order to push their socialist/Marxist agenda.

Klem Wrote:I am aware the US has a lot of internal airports and flights. I note in the news a lot of the population ignored the request from Fauci recently to travel on Thanksgiving and used those airports and flights. Christmas will be worse. The nature of the virus is that a few people can hold a whole community hostage. You can eliminate the virus if there is a common commitment, and that takes leadership [Trump]. Or, you can wait for a vaccine which is not too far away. Spanish flu lasted two years before it died out through herd immunity (1918-1920).Biden seems to have prioritised the virus so it will likely be more proactive and sooner. The downside is of course his stance on guns.

Quote:SAN JOSE, CALIF. (AP) — Santa Clara County's undersheriff has been indicted by a grand jury for his alleged role in a scheme to trade concealed weapons permits for donations to the sheriff's 2018 re-election campaign.

Undersheriff Rick Sung, a fierce supporter of Sheriff Laurie Smith, is the fifth person and second commander in the agency to be indicted in what has become the biggest political scandal in recent Santa Clara County history, the Mercury News reported Friday.

Quote:“Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago,” Brown wrote in the San Francisco Chronicle.

“Yes, I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was [California] Assembly speaker. And I certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco.”

Brown, 84, pointed out that he also helped the careers of other prominent California Democrats, such as U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Gavin Newsom, and U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

“The difference is that Harris is the only one who, after I helped her, sent word that I would be indicted if I ‘so much as jaywalked’ while she was D.A.,” Brown wrote. “That’s politics for ya.”

Quote:“My dear departed grandmothers (whose extraordinary legacy I described in a recent essay on this website), as well as my deceased parents, must be turning in their grave right now to see their family name, reputation and proud Jamaican identity being connected, in any way, jokingly or not with the fraudulent stereotype of a pot-smoking joy seeker and in the pursuit of identity politics,” Donald Harris, a Stanford economics professor said in a statement to Jamaica Global Online.

“Speaking for myself and my immediate Jamaican family, we wish to categorically dissociate ourselves from this travesty,” he said.

Klem Wrote:55,

"I have no clue who the two people you mention are" couched in a righteous tone. Plenty of potential retorts to that. But I will instead remind you that along with the UK we are the first to step up and serve and die alongside you when asked. And I note you've done the same in return (WWII), so instead I'm going to take this opportunity to thank you - thank you all. If it wasn't for the US the world would be a different place. Knowing who our leaders are and having some knowledge of what goes on in both our countries is something you can also be proud about.

Suggesting it is bad manners that a non US-citizen talk about a global figure, whose policies affect everyone doesn't cut it. I get you are protective of your nation and what it symbolises and I should be so worthy, but again, Trump's actions and omissions affect the world, not just the US.

52, interesting stats, and we all know the saying by Mark Twain about stats. Australia includes all inbound cases in its official stats. This includes two foreign-flagged cruise liners which docked in Sydney and Perth respectively earlier in the year. Both had hundreds of contaminated people from various countries on board and many were elderly. Due to an administrative mistake by our authorities along with the ship's doctor playing down the sickness the Ruby Princess disembarked in Sydney and it was a super-spreader event. For a time it spread throughout the community. They had a lockdown, contact tracing, and it is now Covid free. Perth was luckier that only 6 died while the passengers were kept onboard. Bottom line, there is no virus in our community and I don't think your list accurately describes that.

I am aware the US has a lot of internal airports and flights. I note in the news a lot of the population ignored the request from Fauci recently to travel on Thanksgiving and used those airports and flights. Christmas will be worse. The nature of the virus is that a few people can hold a whole community hostage. You can eliminate the virus if there is a common commitment, and that takes leadership [Trump]. Or, you can wait for a vaccine which is not too far away. Spanish flu lasted two years before it died out through herd immunity (1918-1920).Biden seems to have prioritised the virus so it will likely be more proactive and sooner. The downside is of course his stance on guns.

LR1955 Wrote:Klem:

I still have no clue who the two people you mention are. And I don't care unless they are leftists who are in the USA.

You have never said any positive words about Trump on this forum. Not this current thread or any other post you have made.

Your 'righteousness' is nothing more than a cover for you to continue to slam Trump.

Prejudice to the max.

LR55

Wheelhorse Wrote:Just want to say that I'm proud to be a member of a gun forum where the moderators will stick up for our president.

Klem Wrote:55,

Are you vetting member's opinions now?

Klem Wrote:Seems my opinion of your President is important to you so let me spell it out.

I think both your candidates are fundamentally flawed. Trump would have to be the most odious, conceited person to claim the top job. Both candidates have dodgy families. I mean, fancy sending your daughter to talk global financial policy with the likes of Christine Lagarde and Macron. Blatant nepotism is both candidates' middle names.

The first interaction Trump had with our Prime Minister he lost his cool and berated him on the phone. Meanwhile, all the career diplomats and military luminaries were quick to try and mend the fence that trump smashed. Too little too late. His insular America-first attitude is fine for Americans, until you see China taking advantage of the void. We will all reap what he sewed soon enough.

And for goodness sake he needs to respect democracy, not just when it suits him. Trump has lost the election and yet conceding defeat is like pulling teeth, it's undignified on a global scale.

Hey, don't take it out on me - you guys voted him in, and then voted for the other guy.