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Bolt Action Grendel - shuter - 11-07-2011
Thanks, JA. I've posted the question on the Savage forum and will report back.
shuter
Bolt Action Grendel - JASmith - 11-07-2011
Thanks Shuter -- that's one thing less on my plate!
Bolt Action Grendel - Varoum - 11-21-2011
For a bolt rifle, how long the barrel could be for the Grendel?
Bolt Action Grendel - hm2 clark - 11-22-2011
Varoum, barrel length answer is as always... It depends. What is your goal? Fo accuracy it proobably does not matter. How far do you intend to shoot? Which bullets do you intend to shoot? How heavy a rifle do you want? For me I like a handy light accurate carbine capable of taking deer/pigs/cyates to 400+ yards with 120 gr bullets; so my bolt grendels are 16&18 inches. If I had to do it over again I might go with 18-20 inch barels. If I hunted Canada, (Moose, Elk BIG Deer) I would probably want to push somthing like the 130gr Swift Sicoroco to 2500+fps so I would use a 22-24 inch barrel. If I hunted Antcosti Island I would be content with the 16 inch barell.
Bolt Action Grendel - Varoum - 11-22-2011
Coyotes from 300 yards and up up up
You sure know the good places to hunt.
Bolt Action Grendel - hm2 clark - 11-23-2011
For coyotes (say <60 lbs) most any bullet will do. I would probably use a 123 gr Lapua because of its high BC and little drop. I like shorter barrels so I'd think a 22 inch barrel would work out to 700 yards. I cant hit a coyote @ 700 yards though.
Bolt Action Grendel - Varoum - 11-23-2011
Great info HM2clark thanks
Bolt Action Grendel - Stacyp - 11-24-2011
Sniper20 Wrote:Another thought... Should I just look at a 6.5 Creedmoor? Gives more punch and has a better range... Might do that, but was looking at improving accuracy... With the stuff that I hunt/shoot a bolt works good. I have not tested the Grendel on yotes yet, but I can't wait!Depends what you want to do with the rifle. I'd rather have a .260 or 6.5 Creedmoor in a bolt gun. Range is much better and you can use multiple brass choices. If you are shooting long range, the increased velocity will help considerably.
Bolt Action Grendel - hm2 clark - 11-24-2011
Agreed, depends what you want to do with the rifle. For Canadan moose I'd rather have a 6.5x55 or 6.5-06 in a bolt gun. Range is much better and you can use multiple brass and bullet choices. You can seat the long 140 and 160 grain bullets you need for trully big game. They help considerably.
Bolt Action Grendel - BjornF16 - 05-05-2012
JASmith Wrote:I just ordered the .243 version http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/116FCSS with the same purpose in mind.
I'm hoping the magazines for the 7.62X39 Model 10 FCM Scout http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/10FCM+SCOUT will work in our rifles and that any tweaking for reliable feeding is straightforward.
Smitty, any updates on your findings? (sorry if I missed a post elsewhere).
Bolt Action Grendel - JASmith - 05-05-2012
Not yet -- but thanks for your prompt! Just sent a note to http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/ with a slightly generalized form of the question. It looks like I will have to call Savage because they don't list a technical support (or other) email.
It is only 5 or six months before I have a barrel in hand where it becomes an issue. Even then it would be "nice to have" because most of my shooting for the project will be single-shot.
And, yes, I have been distracted enough by other projects that I haven't tried contacting the Savage Custom Shop or their technical help folks. Same is true of posting the question at http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/ ---
If someone does contact Savage or others on the question, I would be most interested in their findings.
Bolt Action Grendel - BjornF16 - 05-05-2012
Magazine maximum length questions:
For bolt action rifles, is the .223 Rem maximum magazine length also 2.26 (like AR15 magazine)? What is the magazine maximum length for 7.62x39mm bolt action rifles (Savage, CZ, etc)?
I noticed that the COL for 7.62x39mm is 2.205"...I want to make sure I don't have a COL limitation due to magazine on a Grendel conversion.
Bolt Action Grendel - JASmith - 05-05-2012
I am not an expert on this topic -- which is why I have posted the way I did.
What I do know is that the magazine-length is different, depending on the rifle. I have a circa 1964 Browning in 222 Rem Magnum that has a magazine length right at the COAL for most factory ammunition. My son can load longer COAL in his .223 AR and CZ 527.
Bolt Action Grendel - Opus Dei - 05-05-2012
Bjorn, I see you registered over on the Savage forum. I'm starting my own project and got a 10 in .243 two weeks ago and have since changed boltheads. I'll be interested in what is said about the factory 7.62X39 DBM. Since I don't intend to use that cheap plastic stock with a blind magazine, I've been looking at alternative stocks/DBMs and have seen how 6BR shooters modded AI .308 magazines. Any stock that takes AI magazines/bottom metal for a CF Savage isn't cheap, especially with the DBM conversion factored-in.
Bolt Action Grendel - hm2 clark - 05-05-2012
tho oal magazine max length in my 527 that started out in 7.63x39 2.162-or so.
Bolt Action Grendel - BjornF16 - 05-05-2012
So a CZ 7.62x39 conversion will have a shorter Grendel cartridge length than the AR based 2.26"?
Here is a comment from the SAVAGE forum regarding Savage 10 FCM 7.62x39mm Scout rifle magazine length:
"The FCM is set up for a standard short action detachable mag. The 7.62x39 mag that comes with it has an overall internal mag length (because of a spacer that Savage puts in the rear) of approximately 2.46 inches.
You could easily replace that mag body, spring & follower with a .223 mag body, spring & follower or a standard short action .308-family mag body, spring & follower if you so desired."
It appears to me that the Savage option is more attractive since it will allow for longer cartridges than allowed in the AR platform.
The 10 FCM is a AccuStock platform...if I go this route, I'll probably keep the factory stock and see how it shoots with a Pac-Nor barrel in Grendel Match. I think the 2.46" magazine would be plenty, so no need to switch to .308 magazine (and have to modify it for Grendel).
Bolt Action Grendel - JASmith - 05-05-2012
Bjorn,
Thanks for the research -- it looks like the comment that "...You could easily replace that mag body, spring & follower with a .223 mag body, spring & follower or a standard short action .308-family mag body, spring & follower if you so desired..." means that one could use the 7.62X39 magazine in a .308 length magazine well.
Bolt Action Grendel - BjornF16 - 05-05-2012
JASmith Wrote:it looks like the comment that "...You could easily replace that mag body, spring & follower with a .223 mag body, spring & follower or a standard short action .308-family mag body, spring & follower if you so desired..." means that one could use the 7.62X39 magazine in a .308 length magazine well.
Smitty, that is the way I interpreted it as well...
I think that also means you could use ANY .308 family Savage DBM rifle and convert it to Grendel using their 7.62 magazines and bolt.
McMillan has some stocks that would fit your .243 Savage.
Bolt Action Grendel - Opus Dei - 05-05-2012
BjornF16 Wrote:Smitty, that is the way I interpreted it as well...So does H-S and Manners. Problem is if you factor in DBM, the price gets high enough to look at chassis. I believe I'm going to order a McRee, if I'm in for that $. Too bad B&C Duramaxx only seem to be available only for the staggerfeed models.
I think that also means you could use ANY .308 family Savage DBM rifle and convert it to Grendel using their 7.62 magazines and bolt.
McMillan has some stocks that would fit your .243 Savage.
Bolt Action Grendel - BjornF16 - 05-06-2012
Smitty,
Don't know if you've gone to SSS website or not, but here is a quote from their website that may help you with your blind box magazine to DBM conversion:
DBM & HFP MAGAZINE CONVERSION PARTS
Since the recent change over to the new center feed magazines, the system lends itself to be modular, and adaptable to most applications on current rifles. For the blind, detachable and hinged floor plate magazine configurations, the same magazine box is utilized. The blind magazine consists of a box and follower. For the detachable box magazine, it uses the same components, plus a snap on bottom cap. For the hinged floor plate model, the same components are used in conjunction with a magazine frame with the hinged lid. The detachable box magazine requires the appropriate magazine frame to retain the box. Both the DBM and HFP use the same stock; the inlet is the same for both sets of hardware.
With this in mind, we recently introduced a few new stock patterns to take advantage of the whole system of DBM, blind and HFP rifles. Now one may start with a blind magazine rifle and upgrade to DBM or HFP by adding the correct components.
http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/ - see "Original Parts"