smokinghole Wrote:I'm not a coolaid drinker. I ended up here and looking on three other forums about information about this cartridge. I ended up here thinking it'd have the most information but I quickly began to realize that this forum generally is a fan of a specific chamber design over it just being a cartridge. It was the performance numbers of a bullet and cartridge combo that attracted me to this round not a throat design. Then due to the massive amount of bickering on both sides of the issue I almost said "screw the grendel" plus my modest budget had an influence.

I for the life of me cannot understand why a chamber design needs to be protected and celebrated. There are swiss army knives out there with 100 things on the knife. Sure sometimes the screw driver on the knife is convenient but there are times you would much rather a real screw driver. Sure the magnifying glass is possibly convenient but a real magnifying glass would be better, and so on. Just because something was designed a certain way at a certain time for certain reasons doesn't mean it always has to be that way. Improvements on products can be an advancement to a more complicated design or a more simple design, it happens both ways. Sometimes an "improvement" isn't viewed as an improvement to everyone and that's fine. I'm not saying the compound throat is anything good or bad to me, I just didn't buy one because I got a deal on something else.

smokinghole Wrote:If this group is okay with non-SAAMI chambers I would expect to see more referrals to new people looking to build to more cost effective options. Instead because there are no sub $400 saami options people seem to be guided to $700-$800 barrels. Thats great if you guys have the passion/dedication to drop the coin on that steel. I am a professional brewer at the moment, means average labor wages in manufacturing. So without means I am trying to build a decent rifle but sensibly spending. I may be able to pay $1500 between the barrel and upper but I woumwould rather save the extra for other things.

There seems to be a lot of self contradictory statements made here. That is unless a compound throat is in fact magic. Using common sense and reasoning every chamber type has its preferred rounds. That includes the lauded compound throat so it seems. I am just pointing out the one sidedness for the SAAMI and how loading for your chamber still applies. Unless like i said, the magic makes it special. We use magic water at work, so its possible here too.

smokinghole Wrote:I'm not a coolaid drinker. I ended up here and looking on three other forums about information about this cartridge. I ended up here thinking it'd have the most information but I quickly began to realize that this forum generally is a fan of a specific chamber design over it just being a cartridge. It was the performance numbers of a bullet and cartridge combo that attracted me to this round not a throat design. Then due to the massive amount of bickering on both sides of the issue I almost said "screw the grendel" plus my modest budget had an influence.

I for the life of me cannot understand why a chamber design needs to be protected and celebrated. There are swiss army knives out there with 100 things on the knife. Sure sometimes the screw driver on the knife is convenient but there are times you would much rather a real screw driver. Sure the magnifying glass is possibly convenient but a real magnifying glass would be better, and so on. Just because something was designed a certain way at a certain time for certain reasons doesn't mean it always has to be that way. Improvements on products can be an advancement to a more complicated design or a more simple design, it happens both ways. Sometimes an "improvement" isn't viewed as an improvement to everyone and that's fine. I'm not saying the compound throat is anything good or bad to me, I just didn't buy one because I got a deal on something else.

smokinghole Wrote:I'm not a coolaid drinker. I ended up here and looking on three other forums about information about this cartridge. I ended up here thinking it'd have the most information but I quickly began to realize that this forum generally is a fan of a specific chamber design over it just being a cartridge. It was the performance numbers of a bullet and cartridge combo that attracted me to this round not a throat design. Then due to the massive amount of bickering on both sides of the issue I almost said "screw the grendel" plus my modest budget had an influence.

I for the life of me cannot understand why a chamber design needs to be protected and celebrated. There are swiss army knives out there with 100 things on the knife. Sure sometimes the screw driver on the knife is convenient but there are times you would much rather a real screw driver. Sure the magnifying glass is possibly convenient but a real magnifying glass would be better, and so on. Just because something was designed a certain way at a certain time for certain reasons doesn't mean it always has to be that way. Improvements on products can be an advancement to a more complicated design or a more simple design, it happens both ways. Sometimes an "improvement" isn't viewed as an improvement to everyone and that's fine. I'm not saying the compound throat is anything good or bad to me, I just didn't buy one because I got a deal on something else.

Variable Wrote:

Enjoy your barrel. I won't hate on you because you picked something different from me.

smokinghole Wrote:I ended up here and looking on three other forums about information about this cartridge. I ended up here thinking it'd have the most information but I quickly began to realize that this forum generally is a fan of a specific chamber design over it just being a cartridge. It was the performance numbers of a bullet and cartridge combo that attracted me to this round not a throat design. Then due to the massive amount of bickering on both sides of the issue I almost said "screw the grendel"...

Quote:Radical New Reamer Design from PT&G
Lou used a new chamber reamer from Pacific Tool & Gauge (PT&G) with special geometry in the leade/throat section. Called a “Bore Rider” (or sometimes “bore-runner”, this new reamer design cuts a staged, variable taper in the leade/throat area that is quite different than the taper in a typical throat. It’s a little hard to explain, so we’ve included the 6 PPC Bore Rider reamer print below.

bwaites Wrote:Am I looking at a compound throat from Dave Kiff? I'm not an expert on reading these, but that's what it looks like to me?

Quote:Radical New Reamer Design from PT&G
Experts should look at the leade angle(s), freebore, and throat dimensions. You may be surprised. Dave Kiff of PT&G says this Bore Rider design has worked successfully for other cartridge types/calibers as well. Apparently this design helps the bullet center up smoothly in the bore before the bullet engages “hard” in the rifling — or so we’ve been told.