stanc Wrote:I have to say, though, that I am shocked, amazed, and astounded that not one single person has opted for 6.5 Grendel. I mean, where is the loyalty of members of the Horde, anyway??? :eek:

LRRPF52 Wrote:The question was brought up earlier, "If I have a barrel under 16" in length in my residence, and I also have other AR15 parts that could theoretically be assembled into a SBR, does the gun gestapo have a legal case against me?"

An easy way of not having to worry about that, which also showcases the silliness of the ATF and 1934 NFA, you can simply purchase this device:



https://www.sigsauer.com/SigStore/sb15-pistol-stabilizing-brace-552.aspx

It even comes with a silly ATF compliance letter: https://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/ATF-Compliant-Letter.pdf

BjornF16 Wrote:What you are missing is that the poster also said he did not have a pistol lower. So he couldn't even make use of the device you showcase. He had lowers with buttstocks and greater than 16" barrels, and was contemplating buying a shorter than 16" barrel/upper only. Every judge in the country would convict in that case.

BTW, this in no way means I agree with the 1934 NFA. In fact, the only case I know of that challenged it in court was the SBS case that was rigged. Any volunteers to challenge it?

LRRPF52 Wrote:Because there is more projectile weight, there is more chance of complete perforation with anything that is high-power rifle, hence the beauty of 5.56 for CQB.

Shoot a 45gr or 50gr varmint load in a 5.56 in the house from a gun with a polished and blended set of feed ramps, and you're golden as to tissue destruction with no over-penetration.

LRRPF52 Wrote:Because there is more projectile weight, there is more chance of complete perforation with anything that is high-power rifle, hence the beauty of 5.56 for CQB.

Shoot a 45gr or 50gr varmint load in a 5.56 in the house from a gun with a polished and blended set of feed ramps, and you're golden as to tissue destruction with no over-penetration.

KentuckyBuddha Wrote:I didn't do any polishing and blending but I charged a magazine with 55 grain Varmint X rounds. Is there a danger that smaller pills won't feed well?

LRRPF52 Wrote:Good call. You do have to have an AR15 registered pistol, or an 80% lower that you made for yourself as a pistol...

BjornF16 Wrote:With Level III-A penetration to boot!

But I agree with Stanc...I'm surprised no one has selected the Grendel. 95 grain V-Max (sd = .195) versus 55 grain V-Max (sd = .157). What is the mv from 10.5" Grendel barrel with 95 grain V-Max?

cory Wrote:Inside the house it's be my 45 XD Tactical or 40 XDm. I feel like over penetration is a lot less likely with a pistol round. I don't want to inadvertantly shoot a loved one. And there very easily manueverable and good follow up.

If I need to go outside the house I'd rather have my 5.56 with Nosler 64gr Bonded Performance. I live in a subdivison.

Hostage situation I'd prefer the 5.56 load mentioned above.

Now if I lived in cartel country or didn't have nearby neighbors and the ones I had were spread out, I'd probably develop a load for 16" or shorter grendel with the Hornady 140gr HPBT. At 2200 fps it's sonic to 1010 yards. (wow I wasn't expecting that when I looked it up.) I wish Nosler would make a 6.5mm bonded performance round, one of my most accurate rounds in my 5.56.

On a side note: I believe I'll picking some 140gr BTHP projectiles up to see how it shoots in my 24" PF Grendel.

cory Wrote:What exactly makes a lower a pistol lower??? I've got a few extras laying around. How would I go about getting those registered as a pistol lower.

Quote: Bjorn - I'm surprised no one has selected the Grendel.

Cory - Well I guess I'm no one. HAHA

LRRPF52 Wrote:AR15 pistols are supposed to be marked as such, and if you buy one, it will say "Pistol" on it. They are transferred as pistols on the 4473. It's a stupid, pointless "law", that has zero effect on crime, while making things more difficult for good, upstanding citizens, not that I would ever label the unwashed masses of the horde with such a name.

Quote:Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts in a kit that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length).

Quote:Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol).

Quote:Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle. Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA.

KentuckyBuddha Wrote:Sadly I have seen for myself many times. Obviously with .410 from point blank range you can get reasonable penetration. I in no way meant to disparage your credibility, I had no idea you meant from a .410 at 5 feet where obviously the disks would not work like a parachute and have a reasonable amount of distance to cover.

Tedward Wrote:Beowulf. If they are wearing Kevlar, they will be blown out of the house thru the door with broken ribs. Also the fire ball will burn there face, easy identification of the perpetrator.

BjornF16 Wrote:Beowulf will penetrate Kevlar vests...

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