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Aa barrels - squid - 05-06-2012
I ordered mine the beginning of March. I am getting tired of waiting and being told there is no way to verify the delivery date. If I told my customers this, I wouldn't be selling too much of my product. As a side note, when I spoke with the girl that answered the phone, she got rude with me and told me there was no way of telling if the 25 barrels they just received from their vendor would be used to fill my order. Thats right guys, if you just received your barrels, they were outsourced, as are most of alexanders barrels. Apparently they have 300 currently on order, which is what the company employees told me. This doesn't sound like a manufacturing or production problem, but more of a procurement issue. Time to start demanding more from your outsource companies. Maybe its time to contact Satern.
Aa barrels - Drifter - 05-06-2012
squid- The entire gun market seems to be suffering from an unexpected surge in demand, especially in the AR segment. Even Ruger announced a while back that they were so backlogged that no new orders were being accepted. Industry insiders expect more major manufacturers to make similar announcements.
The delays with smaller custom build-to-order operations, that are so dependent upon parts from others, are what's most visible to us as consumers. The issue is not limited to Alexander Arms, but is quite widespread.
I have all the parts except one to complete a particular build. It simply isn't available until the manufacturer makes more. I can either wait, or select an alternative part.
I understand your frustration, and not sure that anyone truly understands what's going on in the firearms segment right now, but things might get worse before they get better. Settle in and try to muster up some patience with the rest of us.
Aa barrels - fkleinbu - 05-06-2012
I recently read the DoD just ordered 100,000 new M4's.. I expect this will impact on availability of a lot of AR parts..
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Aa barrels - pinzgauer - 05-06-2012
fkleinbu Wrote:I recently read the DoD just ordered 100,000 new M4's.. I expect this will impact on availability of a lot of AR parts..
You really think that DPMS/Delton is sourcing parts from the same suppliers as Colt & FN? Or area a large supplier to the civvy market?
FN is normally prohibited from selling their AR parts on the open market. Colt does, but in fairly small volume.
I do agree there are some cases where the same mfg's may supply parts on contract for both civvy and mil orders, especially for things like Cold Hammer Forged barrels.
My read is that building AR's is more popular than ever, and people are overreacting (again) to election stuff.
Aa barrels - bwaites - 05-07-2012
squid Wrote:I ordered mine the beginning of March. I am getting tired of waiting and being told there is no way to verify the delivery date. If I told my customers this, I wouldn't be selling too much of my product. As a side note, when I spoke with the girl that answered the phone, she got rude with me and told me there was no way of telling if the 25 barrels they just received from their vendor would be used to fill my order. Thats right guys, if you just received your barrels, they were outsourced, as are most of alexanders barrels. Apparently they have 300 currently on order, which is what the company employees told me. This doesn't sound like a manufacturing or production problem, but more of a procurement issue. Time to start demanding more from your outsource companies. Maybe its time to contact Satern.
Squid, almost every AR manufacturer outsources their barrels, with the notable exceptions who have barrel manufacturing facilities in house, like FN, Colt, Ruger, and the Cerberus group of companies.
Procurement of barrels from outside sources creates many problems.
1) Actually getting someone to supply barrels in the quantity you need. If you don't order large quantities at one time, your order gets pushed down the order chain behind bigger orders. Try to order a lot of barrels, and you may have plenty for now, but find that when you try to reorder, you are at the back of the line because you don't order regularly; its a major Catch 22.
2) If the barrels don't meet your QC, you are faced with having to decide whether you will use them anyway, or send them back and wait for the barrels to be remade. If I recall correctly, the military spec for uppers/barrels is 5 MOA at 100 yards. Are you willing to accept that in your upper? Most aren't, so the barrels civilians get may actually be a higher quality than the military standard. To top that off, the M4 life spec is only 6000 rounds. You ready to trade yours in at that point? Some tactical rifle classes use 2000 rounds in a weekend, 3 classes, time for a new barrel!
3) You are right, it IS a procurement issue, and its going to get worse before it gets better, I suspect. There are only a certain number of barrel makers, much less barrel makers who will build barrels to the quality that Bill Alexander demands.
Bill Alexander has never forgotten something that many may not realize....Its not the action that is the heart of the rifle and the final arbiter of accuracy, its the barrel. This is especially true of AR's where all the important stuff actually happens in the barrel (and barrel extension). He is almost obnoxiously stubborn about the quality of the barrels he uses. (I say almost because he protects his customers, not his suppliers, when it comes to that quality.)
I know it takes a while to get an AA barrel, but very few people aren't happy once they do!
Aa barrels - hobbesgunner - 05-07-2012
Steve at AA sent me a msg. last week on my 24" barrel...couple weeks before they have more to work with...if I don't have it by the end of the month, give em a call.....at least they are courteous enough to get back with you...they get a big "A" from me on that.....the outfit I ordered a carrier from hasn't returned my message in a week........patience is a virtue
Aa barrels - squid - 05-07-2012
I suppose your right ... I just get a little frusterated.
Aa barrels - bwaites - 05-07-2012
We all do, we're Americans and we want things NOW, results NOW, and we have little patience otherwise.
We also have a very short memory of wrongs from the past. We are barely a decade past 9/11, and we are ready to forget all that we resolved at that point, that we would not stop until the world was free of terrorism.
Guess what? It ain't, but we can't stomach a continuing war with it, so we are headed home.
We are Americans, and we have some weaknesses, patience and memory are two of them!
Aa barrels - FiremanTx - 05-07-2012
bwaites Wrote:We are Americans, and we have some weaknesses, patience and memory are two of them!
Truer words have never been spoken! NEVER forget!
Aa barrels - 65hunter - 05-07-2012
this is why we wait 3 shots 100 yards from my aa 24 inch with factory amax
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Aa barrels - FiremanTx - 05-07-2012
Wow, that is impressive. I hope my AA barrel is as good as that!
Aa barrels - 65hunter - 05-07-2012
i hope i can do that again sat haha im really pleased with mine alexander arms is good to go in my book
Aa barrels - FiremanTx - 05-07-2012
More good reviews,that's what I love to hear!
Aa barrels - hobbesgunner - 05-07-2012
If mine shoots like that the wait will be worth it....was that out of a complete upper you ordered or a barrel kit you assembled??? Either way..nice shootin..
Aa barrels - 65hunter - 05-07-2012
Barrel and bolt I assembled check out the photo section it's in there I put it up today
Aa barrels - COTNTOP - 05-07-2012
65hunter do you have Shilen upgrade?
Aa barrels - 65hunter - 05-07-2012
Yes I do
Aa barrels - jeff1383 - 05-07-2012
That's a nice 3 shot group for a stock trigger during barrel break in. Was that shot from a sled vise?
Aa barrels - 65hunter - 05-07-2012
No a Nissan car jack with a Caldwell sandbag with strap and a bag on the rear on a cement table
Aa barrels - jeff1383 - 05-07-2012
At'll do donkey.....At'll do