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New Reloader - Reloading Workflow Sanity Check - MegaHurtz - 02-17-2020
A5BLASTER Wrote:And document everything. Weighting everything down even the most smallest of changes can safe you from making a big possible dangerous mistake.Wilco
New Reloader - Reloading Workflow Sanity Check - FLshooter - 02-18-2020
A5BLASTER Wrote:And document everything. Weighting everything down even the most smallest of changes can safe you from making a big possible dangerous mistake.Keeping records is very important t.When I don’t document things,I forget them. So I have to start over again.A waste of time effort and money. And like A5 said, it could lead to a possible dangerous mistake.Go to your local dollar tree store ,they have small hardcover notebook pads. They come in five colors. Great for shooting logs and load data.
New Reloader - Reloading Workflow Sanity Check - A5BLASTER - 02-18-2020
FLshooter Wrote:Keeping records is very important t.When I don’t document things,I forget them. So I have to start over again.A waste of time effort and money. And like A5 said, it could lead to a possible dangerous mistake.Go to your local dollar tree store ,they have small hardcover notebook pads. They come in five colors. Great for shooting logs and load data.
I like to use the lil old school compression notebooks you can get at wal-mart for cheap. Have one for each of my rifles.
New Reloader - Reloading Workflow Sanity Check - BCHunter - 02-18-2020
MegaHurtz Wrote:WRT a velocity spike, I grasp why that should be considered the upper limit to not employ.
WRT a velocity plateau, can you please expand on this? Is a plateau considered a good thing? Or indicative of any more powder will be blown out of the muzzle?
Plz edumak8 me sensi. TIA.
You should get a relative steady increase in velocity per incramental charge. At some point this will either spike or plateau, this generally is the node your looking for. It you start at a random point in a data list, you may miss this point for your barrel.
Generally book data is conservative because of all the unkowns. So being under max I'm not overslly concerned about you blowing your gun up. Just cautious about doing that as a matter of course, since you wanted to verify your reloading procedure.
New Reloader - Reloading Workflow Sanity Check - FLshooter - 02-18-2020
MegaHurtz Wrote:Yeah, it was a fear of the unknown that had me making this a lot scarier than it really is. I was pretty apprehensive that I was undertaking something that I would ultimately not be too successful at. Respecting an absolute and always present need to be fanatical about safety, I think that I can close the cover on the rest of those thoughts and start working to continue progressing through the learning curve. It is the constant learning about things that keeps me intellectually engaged and helps to prevent complacency, I've noted about myself.I would keep my reloading tools at a minimal at first. Just get what you absolutely need to get started .As you progress and gain experience, you will replace most of the tools you started with and you will know what works best for you.
New Reloader - Reloading Workflow Sanity Check - LRRPF52 - 02-18-2020
We included pages of shooter's notes in the back of the Grendel Handbooks for record-keeping.
Each volume has 5 pages of reloader's notebook format pages where you can record your rifle and load data.
As you pass these materials down to the younger generation (or your older self who doesn't remember writing them), all that data is kept in a clear, concise location with the obvious labeling of the Handbooks themselves.
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I will also of course put the labels on my ammo boxes that come with the boxes when you buy them, or bullets like Lapua provides.
I list the powder, bullet, case, primer, charge weight, COL, times fired for brass usually.
New Reloader - Reloading Workflow Sanity Check - White Smoke - 02-19-2020
I was re-reading the posts and just want to blast in on a couple of previous suggestions about keeping a log. That is a MUST DO! Get yourself a notebook if you haven't done so already and start writing down the various loads and how they do. The cases should all be trimmed to the same length so that's a given, but what primer you use, what powder, what bullet, the COAL, etc. can all vary. Pick a primer and a bullet and then pick several different powders as suggested by the bullet manufacturer. Work up loads for each powder. Just a suggestion that I find very easy is to take Ziplock snack size baggies and put your different loads in them. Write the load on the baggie (first) with a marker pen. For example, as a general rule, I shoot four-round groups at half-grain increments when first working up a load. The load I just shot today was using a Speer 90 grain TNT bullet and H335 powder. I had 8 snack baggies with four rounds in each baggie marked from 28.5 grains to 32.0 grains in half-grain increments. The 31.5-grain load gave me a 0.47" group at 100 yards. Now that's pretty good, but I'm still going to play with seating depth just for the hell of it. Right now, my COAL is 2.20" per the book. My finished COAL is yet to be determined. It's all marked down in my log so I can refer back to it at any time. I don't leave anything to a (rapidly failing) memory. I still have books dating back to the mid-50's when I first started loading for a 38 Special.
New Reloader - Reloading Workflow Sanity Check - MegaHurtz - 03-12-2020
LRRPF52 Wrote:... We found QuickLoad to be off by 10,000-20,000psi in many instances, compared against multiple industry sources and our own calibrated pressure-test breech, so unless it has been updated and tuned to actual 6.5 Grendel reality, I wouldn't use it right now. The load data you have in the Grendel Handbooks is quite comprehensive. I used QuickLoad when I loaded .308 Winchester without any issues, but it has been way off with Grendel. ...This tidbit of info had been nagging on me quite a bit (about your experience with QL being off in a Grendel context). While researching various load workup methodologies (Ladder, OBT, OCW, etc.), I stumbled across this white-paper that speaks to tuning QL to be more accurate wrt observed chrony results. I've attached it herein in the interests of science and for archival/retrieval purposes.
And, for those who may be interested, the three methods I've found thus far are listed below and can be researched further at these links:
- Creighton Audette's Ladder Test
- Optimal Charge Weight (OCW) Method
- Optimal Barrel Time (OBT) Concept
Do the listed LDMs currently exist in this forum (i.e. a stickied post)? If not, does it make sense for the LDMs to be stickied for the benefit of easy access by all?
-MHz
New Reloader - Reloading Workflow Sanity Check - MegaHurtz - 03-12-2020
White Smoke Wrote:... keeping a log. That is a MUST DO! ...I read you Five by Five.
Thanks! -MHz
New Reloader - Reloading Workflow Sanity Check - Constitutionalist - 03-12-2020
Wow! I reload 6 pistol calibers, 4 shotgun gauges, and 14 rifle calibers. Other than dies you have more stuff than I do.
Be careful! Reloading is addictive!