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Decent BUIS for less money? - Sticks - 12-03-2017

^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Shoot both eyes open. Pistol, rifle, Shotgun...keep them both open. One less brain function to free up trying to keep one eye closed.


Decent BUIS for less money? - Klem - 12-03-2017

SPQR 70AD Wrote:I understand that. what I mean if you look at his pics of the aim point a man could fit on either side of the sight and you would not see him. they had a speed test in the web site rifle shooter with shotguns. one had ghost ring sights the other a red dot. the ghost ring edged out the red dot by very little

You are looking at the field of view of a photograph. The photograph represents only a fraction of what you would see if aiming a firearm with a red dot at a target. The human eye sees up and down left and right limited by the brow, the lower cheek and the shape of the eyeball for left and right. Like this;
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If you are nervous then you go into what's called ocular occlusion where you only process, or perceive the reflected light that falls on the fovea in the middle. It's popularly called 'tunnel vision'. The threat is identified and the body 'attends' (moves so the senses are in the best position to process the threat). In a shooting scenario we turn to face the threat so we look directly at it. If we are of the mind to ignore everything else it is called, 'target fixation'. Humans are predators so the ability to judge distance to target is important and this happens using stereoscopic vision. Unlike typical prey animals who have evolved to have eyes on the sides of their heads to detect threats almost 360 degrees we have evolved to have less field of view but with 114degrees of stereoscopic overlap to the front. That 114degrees is then narrowed even further by the brain as it processes the immediate threat only. This is why combatants are taught the dogma of looking left and right after discharging their firearm so as to force them to take in their surroundings, this given we are tempted to target fixate when stressed. If a person is battle-experienced and sharp this tunnel vision will not be as severe as ultra-nervous types.

My point is, forget the photo as it's not what your eyes see. And what your eyes see in a gunfight depends on how acculturated to stress and violence you are, and how you react when stressed. Regardless, if there was a man standing either side of that Aimpoint you would see them. If they were standing further apart, say 90 degrees left and right it would depend on a few things, including how close they were to you, what they were wearing, whether they were moving and how comfortable you are in chaos.


Decent BUIS for less money? - Sticks - 12-03-2017

FWIW - When you are hunting, and that tag you want filled finally comes popping into view, you go into the same mode described above.


Decent BUIS for less money? - SPQR 70AD - 12-03-2017

Klem Wrote:You are looking at the field of view of a photograph. The photograph represents only a fraction of what you would see if aiming a firearm with a red dot at a target. The human eye sees up and down left and right limited by the brow, the lower cheek and the shape of the eyeball for left and right. Like this;
[ATTACH=CONFIG]10320[/ATTACH]

If you are nervous then you go into what's called ocular occlusion where you only process, or perceive the reflected light that falls on the fovea in the middle. It's popularly called 'tunnel vision'. The threat is identified and the body 'attends' (moves so the senses are in the best position to process the threat). In a shooting scenario we turn to face the threat so we look directly at it. If we are of the mind to ignore everything else it is called, 'target fixation'. Humans are predators so the ability to judge distance to target is important and this happens using stereoscopic vision. Unlike typical prey animals who have evolved to have eyes on the sides of their heads to detect threats almost 360 degrees we have evolved to have less field of view but with 114degrees of stereoscopic overlap to the front. That 114degrees is then narrowed even further by the brain as it processes the immediate threat only. This is why combatants are taught the dogma of looking left and right after discharging their firearm so as to force them to take in their surroundings, this given we are tempted to target fixate when stressed. If a person is battle-experienced and sharp this tunnel vision will not be as severe as ultra-nervous types.

My point is, forget the photo as it's not what your eyes see. And what your eyes see in a gunfight depends on how acculturated to stress and violence you are, and how you react when stressed. Regardless, if there was a man standing either side of that Aimpoint you would see them. If they were standing further apart, say 90 degrees left and right it would depend on a few things, including how close they were to you, what they were wearing, whether they were moving and how comfortable you are in chaos.
I have shot hundreds of round with different holo sites and many types of red dots so I am not going by the pics I just used them to make a point. other guys can do as they please but for me with a ghost ring I can see everything and on a man size torso up to maybe 40 yds when I shoulder the rifle I do not need to line up 3 things. I just put the front site on the torso while rifle is in my shoulder


Decent BUIS for less money? - bj139 - 12-05-2017

It is not quite so simple with everyone.

A common problem in shotgun shooting with both eyes open is putting the front sight on the target, as seen with your left eye, and missing badly.

This is for a right handed shooter. Missing could be done quite nicely by a left handed shooter in the opposite way.Wink


Decent BUIS for less money? - Frontier Gear - 12-06-2017

I saw these on the shelf at my buddies shop in Spokane yesterday. I asked him how they were holding up. He said that they have installed them on a number of guns so far including a full auto 45ACP. I guess that the 45ACP is a real shaker and mover when in full auto. He says that it hurts his hand to shoot it. But the sights are still holding up. They stay put (either up or down) and they are still sighted in. Mind you, he doesn't really use the sights when doing a full auto mag dump... These are made out of steel instead of aluminum so that could be helping them. I may try a set out, just to see for myself.

https://www.amazon.com/Trinity-Force-Sight-front-Mount/dp/B00MJKOK28


Decent BUIS for less money? - diddlyv - 12-16-2017

If one has good enough eyes to be able to accurately engage targets using the BUIS does it not beg the question why not just carry an A-2 to begin with and forego the optics all together? One can shoot MOA with Iron sights.


Decent BUIS for less money? - Frontier Gear - 12-16-2017

diddlyv Wrote:If one has good enough eyes to be able to accurately engage targets using the BUIS does it not beg the question why not just carry an A-2 to begin with and forego the optics all together? One can shoot MOA with Iron sights.

Light gathering. For hunting it makes a big difference. I hunted with open sights for a few years until I realized that I could safety and legally take deer with a scope at dusk when I couldn't with open sights. It seems that deer like to come out right when antlers are hard to see without optics. An extra 15 minutes often makes the difference between meat or no meat in the freezer.