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New Army "Caliber Configuration Study" - NugginFutz - 05-08-2014
Found this AP hosted article regarding the M4 vs. the "Others". Definitely slanted against the M4.
http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/wdc/military_rifle/index.html?SITE=AP
A bit of interactive stuff, but still a puff piece.
New Army "Caliber Configuration Study" - stanc - 05-08-2014
NugginFutz Wrote:A bit of interactive stuff, but still a puff piece.And, being a 2008 article, a wee bit dated...
New Army "Caliber Configuration Study" - BluntForceTrauma - 06-20-2014
Army still wants the 6.5 Grendel and still doesn't know it.
They want a compact, semi-auto sniper rifle. And, further, I quote: "However, advances in warfighting technology have promoted the need for increased sniping capabilities to counter constantly changing threats particularly in urban environments and at extended ranges."
Hmmm. . . Now who does THAT sound like?
High sectional density for urban penetration? Check.
High BC for extended ranges? Check.
Lightweight? Semi-auto? Need I say more?
It boggles my mind that the biggest no-brainer in the history of small arms is staring them in the face. Instead, "Let's extend the range by increasing weapon bulk and weight and by increasing ammunition blast and recoil."
John
New Army "Caliber Configuration Study" - stanc - 06-21-2014
Perhaps if a 6.5 Grendel sniper rifle was to be demonstrated to the sniper community?
Better yet, let Army snipers shoot it side-by-side with a 7.62mm M110?
New Army "Caliber Configuration Study" - NugginFutz - 06-21-2014
“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.” ~ Stuart Chase
New Army "Caliber Configuration Study" - Guardsman26 - 07-02-2014
I understand that the US Army's Caliber Configuration Study is now proceeding with all guns blazing if you'll forgive the metaphor. Better news is that the US Army leadership and key influencers are all behind it with the US AMU is leading from the front by providing its own new ammo proposals. Common sense has prevailed meaning that the CLAWS and LDAM programs won't materialise until the US Army has decided which calibers it wants to use in future. I sense that there is now a shared belief that 5.56mm has reached the omit of its development potential. The UK has signed a MoU with the USA and will participate in the CCS. Meanwhile, the performance of the existing Grendel round is serving as a benchmark. Exactly which calibers are being looked at is not publicly available, but you don't need the brains of an archbishop to realise that it will likely include: .250, .260, .270 and .280 (with .308 above and .223 below serving as reference calibers). Meanwhile, as H&K melts down in the wake of the G36 scandal, FNH seems to be refining both SCAR-H and Minimi Mk 3 platforms. If I were a betting man, I might lay odds on the next US Army AR being the SCAR-H in something very close to a 6.5mm Grendel. Of course, there's many a slip between cup and lip, but I tend to think that the overall configuration of the SCAR-H has created a new AR benchmark.
New Army "Caliber Configuration Study" - stanc - 07-16-2014
Guardsman26 Wrote:I understand that the US Army's Caliber Configuration Study is now proceeding with all guns blazing if you'll forgive the metaphor. Better news is that the US Army leadership and key influencers are all behind it... The UK has signed a MoU with the USA and will participate in the CCS.Nick, that's very interesting news. (Pardon the late response. Somehow I missed seeing your post before today.) I'd rather like to see the Germans get on board, too. I always thought their old 6.5x43 round and its very long ogive bullet looked quite promising.
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Quote:Meanwhile, the performance of the existing Grendel round is serving as a benchmark. Exactly which calibers are being looked at is not publicly available, but you don't need the brains of an archbishop to realise that it will likely include: .250, .260, .270 and .280 (with .308 above and .223 below serving as reference calibers).I hope .240 is also included. The Russki 6x49 may have been too high pressure, but I think the projectiles were on the right track.
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Quote:Meanwhile, as H&K melts down in the wake of the G36 scandal, FNH seems to be refining both SCAR-H and Minimi Mk 3 platforms. If I were a betting man, I might lay odds on the next US Army AR being the SCAR-H in something very close to a 6.5mm Grendel.I'd take that bet.
I personally like what I've seen of the SCAR-H, but has there been any US military interest in it, outside of SOCOM?Plus, it seems worth noting that the Turks have reportedly adopted an AR-10 derivative. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/05/12/turkish-mkek-mehmecik-mpt-76-national-rifle/
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New Army "Caliber Configuration Study" - stanc - 11-09-2014
The following is excerpted from Tony Williams' article, http://quarryhs.co.uk/The%20Next%20Generation.htm , which he updated today:
In 2013 the US Army announced a 'Caliber Configuration Study' to support two new small-arms programmes, designated CLAWS (Combat Lightweight Automatic Weapon System) and LDAM (Lightweight Dismounted Automatic Machinegun).
Since then, CLAWS has been replaced by NGSW (Next Generation Squad Weapon) and the CCS by SAAC (the Small Arms Ammunition Configuration study).
Very little information about these programmes has been revealed, but it appears that NGSW is intended to result in the eventual replacement of all of the existing 5.56 mm rifles, carbines and light machine guns by one modular weapon family with interchangeable barrels, stocks and accessories.
New Army "Caliber Configuration Study" - LRRPF52 - 11-10-2014
Quote:If I were a betting man, I might lay odds on the next US Army AR being the SCAR-H in something very close to a 6.5mm Grendel. Of course, there's many a slip between cup and lip, but I tend to think that the overall configuration of the SCAR-H has created a new AR benchmark.
I wouldn't make that bet. The SCAR-H has a series of issues that have yet to be solved, primarily the short service life it creates for SOMPOD and SOPMOD Block II ancillary items, especially TWS. The SCAR's gas system length is too short as is, and the height of the receiver is a major step backwards.
There is a rifle design that one can look at if one is interested in fixing the SCAR, but I see the SCAR as a prototype that was forced into production way too early. Failure of the polymer components, to include lower receivers and buttstocks is another considerable challenge that is already being addressed by people on the US side.