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New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - txgunner00 - 12-14-2012
When I see a "legal" sign on a business preventing me from exercising my God given & Constitutionally guaranteed right to self protection, I make it a point to inform them that they are losing my business. There is also a website set up that you enter Texas business that are posted. I check it regularly and plan my patronage accordingly.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - Buck2732 - 12-14-2012
Guys, do what ever you can to stop your country becoming like mine. Where handguns are banned for the safety of all. There are no semiauto rifles and shotguns are limited to one in the spout and two in the mag. Again for the safety of us law abiding people. However if you are a criminal you can (reportedly) pick up an AK or MAC10 with a full mag for less than £100.00.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - Grendel-Gene - 12-15-2012
A very liberal anti-gun guy i know was going on and on about guns yesterday at work after the school shooting... So finally I asked him if he would go shoot up the local school if i gave him the guns and the ammo to do it with? He looked at me and said, "Hell no"!!! To which I replied, "Well, then the GUN is obviously not the problem then, right?".
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - Grendel-Gene - 12-15-2012
yes, i realize that trying to reason with a liberal is the essence of folly!!! Forgive me.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - bwaites - 12-15-2012
Grendel-Gene Wrote:A very liberal anti-gun guy i know was going on and on about guns yesterday at work after the school shooting... So finally I asked him if he would go shoot up the local school if i gave him the guns and the ammo to do it with? He looked at me and said, "Hell no"!!! To which I replied, "Well, then the GUN is obviously not the problem then, right?".
That's funny right there!!
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - Trebor - 12-15-2012
all day it is glock and sig ,then out of nowhere an AR?
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - Grendel-Gene - 12-15-2012
I have always said:
if somebody gave me a gun, I am RESPONSIBLE enough that i wouldn't just run out and start shooting people;
if somebody gave me some crack cocaine, i am SMART enough that I would not take it;
Logically then, the "gun and drug" problem MUST in fact be due to an abundance of STUPID and IRRESPONSIBLE people!!!
Right?
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - Grendel-Gene - 12-15-2012
Trebor Wrote:all day it is glock and sig ,then out of nowhere an AR?
I think they said a Bushmaster rifle.... But I really haven't seen the news since yesterday.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - michaelmew - 12-15-2012
Grendel-Gene Wrote:...Logically then, the "gun and drug" problem MUST in fact be due to an abundance of STUPID and IRRESPONSIBLE people!!!
Right?
I think you have to give a sizeable portion of blame to society. And, I'm not just blaming the current administration. We have been on a decline of (for lack of a better word) morals and sound judgment for quite a while. I think now we are seeing the effects of that decline. What happened to responsibility and accountability and moral fiber? Why are these kids growing up without the ability to cope with difficult situations in life? Why is it so simple for people to flip-out one day and do unthinkable things to innocent people? Some people are just wired wrong, but I think these people are conditioned by society wrong.
As disturbing as these events have been, to me the most disturbing thing of all is the fact that we don't know who to blame and how to do something about it so it doesn't happen again.
Very sad
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New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - sneaky one - 12-15-2012
This sounds like another classic case of schizophrenia, triggered-fueled by anger. It shows up in young adult males-20-25 yrs. old-silent but smart type-probably also bullyed as a kid. One day they can't take it anymore-they just go off, they are intelligent enough to form a plan of action, they justify it-carry out the deed;
My neighbor and a former co-worker were diagnosed this way. They stifled the -voices in their head-never shot anyone---finally gave in to seeking medical help-they are 99% fine on meds.
The silent type, they hold everything inside-nobody else gets in-they are the ones to talk to- then have a Dr., etc.,, talk to them. Drag them there!!
Parents should not be so absorbed in their own lives- as to not notice behavior signs in their kids. Maybe parents should be held fully accountable for their DNA's end results.
Make something happen if your child is acting like this Parents need to start some research on their childs behavior- WAYY--before this shiite happens!!!
I always say-look to the parents for not getting help these problem kids, it's not the childs fault-no-ones really why they get this chemical imbalance in their brain. The gun is not the problem. Sure, it is a sad end result using one this way.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - Grendel-Gene - 12-15-2012
michaelmew Wrote:I think you have to give a sizeable portion of blame to society. And, I'm not just blaming the current administration. We have been on a decline of (for lack of a better word) morals and sound judgment for quite a while. I think now we are seeing the effects of that decline. What happened to responsibility and accountability and moral fiber? Why are these kids growing up without the ability to cope with difficult situations in life? Why is it so simple for people to flip-out one day and do unthinkable things to innocent people? Some people are just wired wrong, but I think these people are conditioned by society wrong.
As disturbing as these events have been, to me the most disturbing thing of all is the fact that we don't know who to blame and how to do something about it so it doesn't happen again.
Very sad
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I disagree; I know who to blame: The shooter; And I know how to keep it from happening again; We need to understand that the world has changed and that these "gun free zones" are magnets for this kind of madness. We need to give our teachers firearms training and stop tying the hands of law abiding citizens with stupid laws, laws that, much like the gun free zones, only make us all more vulnerable.
And yes, indeed we have created some screwed up kids... But liberalism has destroyed the schools; You cant spank your kids anymore, the "education" where our kids cant even read their diplomas, the movies we watch, the violent video games, the bias of the liberal media and Hollywood... and indeed the absent parents ( if they are lucky enough to have two of them ) that are too busy making a living to pay the ever increasing cost a supporting an ever increasing federal government monster that CREATES many of these problems in the first place...
But look on the bright side: America is no longer a "racist nation" because we have elected obama to be our president not just once, but TWICE!!! And we will soon all have "free" healthcare!!!! So how bad can it really be???
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - sneaky one - 12-15-2012
I'll stay with the brain issue, read back a page.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - davidj - 12-15-2012
Maybe we should give some thought to the Government (under Ronald Reagan)which shut down the mental health system. All these whackos have appeared since then. The schools are full of kids who have the potential to do terrible things but there is no available system to intervene anymore. Ask any teacher and I bet they will say the same thing.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - montana - 12-15-2012
michaelmew Wrote:I think you have to give a sizeable portion of blame to society. And, I'm not just blaming the current administration. We have been on a decline of (for lack of a better word) morals and sound judgment for quite a while. I think now we are seeing the effects of that decline. What happened to responsibility and accountability and moral fiber? Why are these kids growing up without the ability to cope with difficult situations in life? Why is it so simple for people to flip-out one day and do unthinkable things to innocent people? Some people are just wired wrong, but I think these people are conditioned by society wrong.
As disturbing as these events have been, to me the most disturbing thing of all is the fact that we don't know who to blame and how to do something about it so it doesn't happen again.
Very sad
-mm
Well said. Except who to blame. We as a nation have degraded the traditional family unit, morality and individual responsibility. Thing's that would have been unacceptable in my parents generation are now considered normal." The self centered" , were all victims , there should be a law society has come to fruition . The social re-engineering leftist where anything goes but accountability has arrived. Play today pay tomorrow, I can be an immoral pig without shame, have six children from six different fathers, receive free food, housing, health care by having the state steal it from somebody else because their greedy pigs society has arrived. It use to be we had to make good choices because we suffered the consequences if they were the wrong choices". Our institutions have taught our kids that everyone gets a trophy and we are all winners without any sacrifice. When these darling children grow up and realize the world doesn't care about crybaby feelings only about what they can accomplish its no wonder they go off the deep end. They don't know anything except the world was unfair to them so these selfish acts of evil occur.The left understands this and has gained incredible power from this indoctrination. So we blame the inanimate object "a gun" instead of the parenting ,schooling or individual for the murders. Don't worry the government knows best and will take care of us. Dig in , the years ahead are going to be hell.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - BjornF16 - 12-15-2012
Grendel-Gene Wrote:We need to give our teachers firearms training and stop tying the hands of law abiding citizens with stupid laws, laws that, much like the gun free zones, only make us all more vulnerable.
But liberalism has destroyed the schools; You cant spank your kids anymore, the "education" where our kids cant even read their diplomas, the movies we watch, the violent video games, the bias of the liberal media and Hollywood... and indeed the absent parents
We've been discussing this in my household (wife and 16 yr old son).
We're all disgusted with the liberal elite immediate reaction calling for gun control. Apparently someone has created a petition on the white house site calling for gun control. I'm considering creating a petition calling for restricting graphic violence in various media formats (movies, games) just to goad that crowd some.
Guns aren't the problem...the path liberal society has taken is the root cause. As Grendel Gene mentioned, can't discipline your kids, access to violent movies on cable, violent video games, broken families, pre-occupied parents, creation of "gun free zones" that are merely magnets for violence, elimination of institutions for mentally ill, inability to teach morals in school, etc.
After the tragic school shooting in Connecticut on Friday, MSNBC's Ed Schultz implied that the Second Amendment is invalid because those who wrote it were slave owners, oppressed women and "were short on tolerance."
Do you think they also believe the First Amendment is also invalid?
I think we'll have to improve automated security measures in all schools in addition to full time armed security on the premises. Licensed concealed carriers should also be allowed to carry in schools, teacher or not.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - BjornF16 - 12-15-2012
davidj Wrote:Maybe we should give some thought to the Government (under Ronald Reagan)which shut down the mental health system. All these whackos have appeared since then. The schools are full of kids who have the potential to do terrible things but there is no available system to intervene anymore. Ask any teacher and I bet they will say the same thing.
While this occurred in the 80's (with roots in the 70's), it was not Reagan who championed this. It was led by liberal sociologists and mental health advocates who clamored for patients rights...represented, in part, by the ACLU.
This is part of the "liberal" mindset...while I would agree there were some abuses of the mental health system, it could certainly have been cleaned up versus virtually eliminating those institutions.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - michaelmew - 12-15-2012
Several posts have mentioned "Liberal" this or that, but don't be naive; both parties have dirt (blood) on their hands and bear some responsibility.
"Gun Free Zones" are really just "Retaliation Free Zones", I think most everyone here can agree on that. Clearly they are not doing what they were meant to do.
I don't know what the solution is. But, right now I would listen to ANY idea that would stop this terror. For crying out loud, little kids can't even feel safe anymore in an effing school. I'm even sadder than I was before.
I can't fully see the benefit of having armed guards patrolling campuses. In this and the mall shooting, armed policemen responded within minutes from the outset. That goes back to the notion that in most instances the police cannot PROTECT you, they can only respond after the shooting has begun. Certainly, the numbers would be lower, but anything above 0 is still too high. Minimize the damage is BS. What can we do to prevent it from happening.
Sorry for the political explosion. I'm not going to post any more on this subject, but I don't mind reading everyone else's insight. Maybe someone out there has a good solution.
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New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - BjornF16 - 12-15-2012
When I use the term "liberal", it is NOT with any affiliation to any party...it is an "enlightened" mentality that exists in both parties. There are plenty of liberal Republicans...
Edit: I say this because I have disassociated myself with the Republican Party. I'll support Republican candidates, but only if they are true conservatives. I don't give $$$ to Republican party anymore because of their lack of support to conservatives and their tendency to support "liberal" candidates. (But I'll NEVER support a Democrat as it empowers people like Pelosi and Reid).
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - cory - 12-16-2012
michaelmew the term liberal is not an attack on a specific party but an old movement that has gone by many names, but has held one objective, the accumulation of power taken from the citizens and held by the elite few. The liberal movement began in the French Revolution and has gone by many names since: Marxism, Communism, Progressivism, Socialism, and now Liberalism. These movements have committed some of the worst atrocities in history in the name of fairness. They have all done so by first disarming their citizens.
While like many others these horrific acts make me more afraid to bring a child into this world; the thought of bringing a child into a world where they're no longer free, where they can be jailed because of their thoughts (hate crime), where they're no longer free to express their beliefs, where they can be jailed indefinitely absent due process (patriot act), where they can no longer defend themselves or their loved ones, where their is no limit to what the government can force them to do in an absence of unalienable rights (once the 2nd amendment falls our unalienable rights will fall shortly after). These thoughts have terrified me for some time now.
While in a Free Society crimes can not be prevented, these horrific acts don't have to be reality. They're only part of our world because we've sit silent while liberals have taken our God out of schools, and we've allowed them to disarm us. However, there are things we can do to make our world safer. We must start by confronting head on, any attack to our 2nd amendment. We must put an end to these "Gun Free Zones", as stated above these have created "target rich environments" an area where a coward can enter with a firearm and not worry about a law abiding citizen meeting his evil plan with deadly force. We've given these monsters to many defenseless targets and now our children have paid the price for that.
While I don't know the extent of the numerous Connecticut gun control laws, it should be noted that the AR, some are reporting was used, is illegal in that state.
Let us not allow another of our children to be a victim of this flawed system of gun control, and let us restore the sanity seeing these monsters meet with immediate deadly force.
New mass shooting in Oregon Mall, not another one. - LRRPF52 - 12-16-2012
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