montana Wrote:You're now comparing the American revolution to the communist burning our cities..... No more needs to be said by me......

montana Wrote:You're now comparing the American revolution to the communist burning our cities..... No more needs to be said by me......

montana Wrote:Missouri, stand your ground law: if you have the right to be in a specific location, you have the right to defend yourself or anyone else in serious danger. ... Generally, stand your ground laws give people the legal right to defend themselves and anyone else who is in mortal danger as long as they have a legal right to be in the area.

From the hit piece, all I could discern is the McClosky's know how to use the legal system.. I would gather any good lawyer would understand such things.. Looks like they won more cases than they lost..Guilt is not based on popularity. For example, only a judge can order an eviction and it has to be done legally following state and federal law.. Entering a gated community without permission is still trespassing, and considering the general mayhem being perpetrated across the nation by violent leftist, their concern was quite understandable....https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri-governor-pardon-mccloskey-couple

Popeye212 Wrote:I can't believe there are people on here that are condemning the man for pulling the gun in defense of life and property and physical harm??? Especially by these particular "protestors"

montana Wrote:You're now comparing the American revolution to the communist burning our cities.....

Popeye212 Wrote:I can't believe there are people on here that are condemning the man for pulling the gun in defense of life and property and physical harm???

Popeye212 Wrote:What in devil more did they have to do. Good Grief, read some of the threats that were made.

Popeye212 Wrote:That gate was enough for me the second they tore it down and entered my property.

Double Naught Spy Wrote:Yes, we know what stand your ground law is.

Double Naught Spy Wrote:Does castle doctrine apply to protecting gated communities? I don't think so.

My understanding of Missouri castle doctrine law is that is pertains to intruders in your home, not trespassers on your land or in your community. The BLM folks did not appear to gain entry or attempt to gain entry into the McClosky home.

stanc Wrote:I made no comparison to "communist burning our cities." You're conflating two different issues: The riots that have occurred, and the subject of this thread (the reaction of two individuals to peaceful protesters entering a gated community).

And I find it interesting that apparently it isn't trespassing or destruction of property to which you object, but who is doing the trespassing or destruction.

Double Naught Spy Wrote:If the protesters had physically done something to the McClosky's, I would agree with you 100%. Producing the guns was fine (though tactically stupid on their part), but pointing the guns at the protestors is where the issue is of concern. Did they do that just because people were entering the community or did they have a credible threat? If the threat is not credible, then they committed assault. The current video evidence available looks like the McCloskys were overly hasty in pointing their guns at the crowd. That may not be what comes out in court, however.

Just curious, what had these "particular" protestors done other than walk through the gate of the community and make some noise?

montana Wrote:Peaceful protesters don't trespass on private property, which is a criminal offence.

FLshooter Wrote:We’re probably never going to know the truth. Because those liberal trespassers edited the video .

Double Naught Spy Wrote:If the protesters had physically done something to the McClosky's, I would agree with you 100%. Producing the guns was fine (though tactically stupid on their part), but pointing the guns at the protestors is where the issue is of concern. Did they do that just because people were entering the community or did they have a credible threat?

montana Wrote:Apparently you don't. I repeat: Missouri, stand your ground law: if you have the right to be in a specific location, you have the right to defend yourself or anyone else in serious danger. ... Generally, stand your ground laws give people the legal right to defend themselves and anyone else who is in mortal danger (as long as they have a legal right to be in the area). Weather you believe they were or weren't being threatened or if they abuse the legal system is irrelevant. It is what can be proven in a court of law...The mob was trespassing and BLM has a history of violence, arson and vandalism, which is a reasonable assumption they were in immediate threat. Of course once again, it is what the legal system will determine that counts...

FLshooter Wrote:We’re probably never going to know the truth. Because those liberal trespassers edited the video .I believe the McCloskey’s were threatened.Because I take anyone’s word over a lying communist liberal.

Double Naught Spy Wrote:Again, you have some proof of a threat? What were they defending against? People walking and chanting? Scary stuff walking and chanting.

I like how you discount their ugly history but give credence to the history of BLM. Funny how you discount historical information so conveniently when it doesn't fit your narrative.

Since you are such a fine legal eagle, maybe you can explain the charges levied against the McCloskeys' today.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/st-louis-couple-charged-for-pulling-guns-at-protest/2020/07/20/942fa80c-cacb-11ea-99b0-8426e26d203b_story.html
https://www.foxnews.com/us/st-louis-mccloskey-charged-prosecutor-gardner-guns

Oh look, it is an assault charge.



Like I said, I am sure the McCloskeys will present video and audio from their security system that will support their case, right?

I have no doubt they were threatened. The question is whether they were threatened before or pointing their guns at the crowd.

grayfox Wrote:That Fox news article indicates they are being charged with "felony unlawful use of a weapon"... wav(ing) weapons in a threatening manner.
Does not sound like "assault" in that article.

Sounds totally like a political scenario to me. I don't know the accused nor do I have a dog in that (state) fight... but they are still innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Regardless of anyone's personal opinions of them as persons.

And it also sounds like at least some in the State Prosecutorial ranks in Mo do believe the state's castle doctrine applies.
Their views kind of over-ride out-o-staters' views...

St.Louis, MO... the "little Chicago" of murder in the Midwest...
Kim Gardner's not been doing her job very well.