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How important is atrigger to you? - OpFor1 - 06-29-2019
I agree with whomever said the trigger is the CNS of the rifle. It is the one thing we can control; our link to the mechanical system that does everything else. A trigger doesn't have to be measured in ounces to be good, but all things concerning a trigger are important. Weight of pull, length of pull, single or two stage, stack before the break, overtravel and reset just off the top of my head. I obsess over my hunting triggers because they are so important to making a responsible shot on game. That is not to say that what I like in a trigger matters to anyone else, but those are my thoughts.
How important is atrigger to you? - Djgrendel - 06-29-2019
For the 80 or so dollars the mbt is a great value. It's not the best, but it is pretty dang impressive at that price. I'll own at least another.
How important is atrigger to you? - mongoosesnipe - 06-29-2019
a good trigger pull is very important to me but not as important as a reliable trigger as far as "premium" triggers i have 3 that i regularly use i have a geissele high speed sprung dmr (i havent gauged it but i think its around 3.5 i have the NM springs for it but they were a bit light for my taste in a semi auto) i have a ke arms slt-1 which is a fantastic single stage trigger (ke states that it can have light strikes with some eastern block 7.62x39 surplus but wolf is 100% so i would say thats pretty good) and a larue mbt
of the 3 i like the geissele high speed dmr best for precision work and testing the accuracy of new builds, the ke slt-1 is a go fast trigger its a great trigger for that but if you are not ready it can bump on you the pull and reset are so short, the larue is a great trigger for the money and if you put it against the geissele high speed dmr i like the geissele high speed dmr better but its a target trigger with adjustment screws compared to a simple just works trigger i have never had the geissele come out of adjustment but its a thing that can go wrong comparing it to a geissele ssa which is a fair comparison i think the geissele feels a little better but would hate to live on the difference and certainly wouldn't be able to discern a difference under stress so at $82 its kind of become the standard for trigger upgrades in my builds most of which start life with a basic lpk trigger after i test them with the geissele high speed dmr many spend their lives with generic 6# triggers and get switched to a precision lower if i am doing something that necessitates a better trigger
How important is atrigger to you? - LRRPF52 - 07-05-2019
Reduced power hammer springs are notorious for failure to activate primers, especially in the colder months.
I try to stay away from them for that reason.
LaRue MBT-2S 2-stage trigger is hard to beat for the coin.
How important is atrigger to you? - FLshooter - 07-05-2019
LRRPF52 Wrote:Reduced power hammer springs are notorious for failure to activate primers, especially in the colder months.Although I have not had a problem yet.But,I figured that much.The primer strike feels too light.
I try to stay away from them for that reason.
LaRue MBT-2S 2-stage trigger is hard to beat for the coin.
As I mentioned,it does feel andshoot good.But,I will eventually swap it out with a drop in anyway.I am a tinkerer.
How important is atrigger to you? - ErikS - 07-07-2019
All my ARs have SD-E triggers. A good trigger makes for a rifle that is much easier to shoot well.
How important is atrigger to you? - PGW Steve - 07-07-2019
I've got a Trigger Tech Adaptable in a .223, then they came out with a Diamond, that one is in my Grendel. I do a lot with bolt guns, so the single stage feel wasn't an issue for me, it breaks like a glass rod and goes down to 1.5 pounds. I've got it a bit over 2 which is where I shoot most of my bolts anyway.
How important is atrigger to you? - OneHitWonder - 07-07-2019
HickLife Wrote:A trigger isn't important to me at all honestly. Unless you have trigger that makes you strain and shake when trying to pull it (like a recurring dream I have) then you don't need a different one. I have several I end triggers like geissele and I also have several mil-spec ones that I can shoot just as well. Is it nice to have a light crisp trigger pull? Of course. Is it fun to tinker and swap thing out? Definitely. Is it necessary? Absolutely not. I say before anyone buys a new fancy trigger they need to take the same amount of money they would spend on that, put it into ammo and just work the fundamentals with it. Dry fire is even better too cause it's free. For one the trigger might smooth out a little after a couple thousand reps and for two you will get that muscle memory down so that you don't really think about the trigger pull and just focus on maintaining proper target alignment. That's just my 2 cents
Your 2 cents is worth at least a nickel.
I agree the trigger is not that important. Maybe if I was shooting LR competition. But I just shoot paper for fun. Rarely over 300 yards with 5.56. Will attempt to hit 2x4 cardboard at 800 to 1000 with the 6.5 Grendel now. But is my PSA 20 SS up to it? Getting out that far a light pull might help. But if the man is not doing his part it wont matter.
I put a ALG on my go to HD carbine. It is clean and less creep than a standard GI, but is it needed? No.
The man means more than the machine. Breath control, smooth finger in the right part of the finger, consistent cheek weld, and a solid optic matters more than a high $$$ trigger.
How important is atrigger to you? - Warlock - 07-09-2019
I am one of "those" people that doesn't care how heavy a trigger pull is but, if the trigger moves under pressure and the weapon doesn't fire, I completely fall apart.
At that point, I know I must reset and re-try the shot. If I just muscle through the trigger I will most likely flinch and then miss my shot.
I guess I am a trigger princess.
How important is atrigger to you? - 1Shot - 07-11-2019
The trigger is very important to me. With my ARs I want between 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 lb that is consistent and crisp. I have one CMC 2.5 drop in that is great but I have 4 POF 3.5 drop in that are also great. I got the POFs on sale for under $100 and they all run between 3 and 3.5 lbs and break like glass. The one that runs 3 lbs had a little gritty feel out of the box. I took it apart and polished the engagements with one pass on each engagement with some crocus cloth and then using a Q-tip with Mother's mag wheel polish I gave it a good polish. Breaks like glass at 3 lbs now. On my bolt guns I like 2.5 lb. I can feel my finger on the trigger but just a little squeeze BOOM. 2lb is too light for me for a hunting rifle. I can't feel my finger on the trigger before it goes boom. I have one bolt rifle, Ruger 77 tang safety, that I got in an estate sale with a 1.5 lb trigger. The fellow was a bench rest target shooter as well as one that liked to work with wild cat calibers. I don't know why he would have had built a hunter class bench rifle on a Ruger 77 but he did. According to the information in his records, and he documented most everything, this rifle started out as a 26" varmint barrel 220 Swift. The barrel was removed and re-bored to 30 cal. with a 1 n 14 twist, chamber end cut and redone and chambered in 30x47 cal. ending up with a 24" barrel. This is the old 300 Savage case with the shoulder pushed back 10 thousands inch but left the same over all length. Back in the 80/90s this was THE hunter class bench rest caliber. This fellow intended to shoot cast bullets in this rifle. It had only been fired about 50 times with some testing loads when he has a heart attack and dies. This rifle is in the factory wood stock that has been fully bedded in bisinite (SP?) and has a Canjar trigger that is 1.5 lbs. This rifle is UNBELEAVABLY ACCURATE. But I have to really be careful shooting it because of the light trigger. I had not shot it for a while until a couple weeks ago and with the first shot it went off before I was ready. I got a bunch of cases, loading dies and document folder and it had a Lyman 12 power target scope mounted on it CHEAP because you had to be a hand loader to even shoot it and there was no factory backed load data. It also took his wife 10 years after his death to start to sale off his stuff because she found out she had cancer and would not live long. A friend of mine helped her sale all his shooting stuff of which there was a Dodge max van packed like a can of sardines full. I bought some other stuff.
How important is atrigger to you? - Jakal - 07-11-2019
Barrel, trigger, scope. Money well spent right here.
Everything else just holds it together.
I've settled on Geissele SSA-E and the HSNM triggers for all my ARs. Expensive but I know what I am getting.
Going from a 9 pound GI to a 2.5 pound HSNM will open your eyes about barrel control. My groups were cut in half and handloads did the rest.
How important is atrigger to you? - FLshooter - 07-12-2019
Jakal Wrote:Barrel, trigger, scope. Money well spent right here.True.Barrel trigger scope.In that order.
Everything else just holds it together.
I've settled on Geissele SSA-E and the HSNM triggers for all my ARs. Expensive but I know what I am getting.
Going from a 9 pound GI to a 2.5 pound HSNM will open your eyes about barrel control. My groups were cut in half and handloads did the rest.
How important is atrigger to you? - FLshooter - 07-12-2019
Jakal Wrote:Barrel, trigger, scope. Money well spent right here.True.Barrel trigger scope.In that order.
Everything else just holds it together.
I've settled on Geissele SSA-E and the HSNM triggers for all my ARs. Expensive but I know what I am getting.
Going from a 9 pound GI to a 2.5 pound HSNM will open your eyes about barrel control. My groups were cut in half and handloads did the rest.
How important is atrigger to you? - Mad Charlie - 07-12-2019
Jakal Wrote:Barrel, trigger, scope. Money well spent right here.
Everything else just holds it together.
I've settled on Geissele SSA-E and the HSNM triggers for all my ARs. Expensive but I know what I am getting.
Going from a 9 pound GI to a 2.5 pound HSNM will open your eyes about barrel control. My groups were cut in half and handloads did the rest.
Yeah...when my trigger pull is heavier than my rifle, I find it hard to hit the barn, from the inside.
How important is atrigger to you? - Lowell Higley - 07-13-2019
I have been reading through the trigger thread again. Noticed the mention of Black powder and double set triggers. I have worn a green uniform and reenacted 1863 CW with the 1859 Burdan Sharps. 54 Caliber paper Cartridge with 70 grains of Black Powder. I have taken that gun out to 600 yards and that double set trigger does work.
A long time ago when I went to gun school, was thought how to rework a trigger made for the AR15. Back then, it was the Mattel Toy. It works. The first AR trigger I worked was crisp, but the trigger gauge indicated a pull of less than 2 pounds. Got to be careful. I have worked a number of the AR triggers on builds with crisp 3 to 4 pound pulls per the gauge. These days when I do that kind of work for me and for my retired type wallet, I do not complain because the trigger works well.
And the Boss of 49 years does not complain either. Well, most of the time.
How important is atrigger to you? - Grumpy - 07-19-2019
FLshooter Wrote:For me having a light trigger w/clean break is very important.Always the first thing I do with any pre built AR15 lower I buy,is change out the mil spec trigger.
Ive spent anywhere from $150-$300ea for the drop in triggers Ive bought and installed.And I have quite a few lowers.This last lower,I wanted to go lower budget.
I got a Palmetto state Armory AR15 MOE lower.Has an Enhanced polished trigger that is coated with slick nickel.It broke at 5lbs,out the box.The price was $149 delivered to FFL + Transfer fee.
I went ahead and installed a $10.99 JP reduced power spring kit.After working it a few times,I got a 3.5 pull on my gauge.And it feels good.And appears to get better the more I use it.
My only concern is that the JP spring kit is reduced power.When I had the upper off and was playing with the trigger,primer strike feels noticeably lighter.I am hoping it does not result in primer ignition failures.
Slapped an upper on it and commenced to shooting.I like it.No problems so far.Trigger is light enough and breaks cleanly.I hit steel @ 200 every time.Feels and shoots as good as any lower I own.
Still,I am concerned about the reduced power.Wondering if any one out there,who has installed a JP reduced power spring kit has had failure to fire issues with it.
No. 1, top priority.
Get whatever the new version of the HyperFire 243G trigger. Hits harder (yes harder than milspec) at 2-1/2 lbs. Russian primers in 7.62 x 39 - Wolf steel case never a FTF. You will never for one second regret the trigger.
How important is atrigger to you? - okstatefan - 07-19-2019
I am really liking the MBT. I ordered two and had them out last week.
Apple-to-Apple. I had two almost identical PSA 5.56 rifles. The only differences: 1:7 FN CHF barrel, 1:8 Wylde SS barrel; MBT trigger, SSA trigger; Strike Eagle 1-8, 1.5-8 LHS HD. I swapped the lowers out a few times so each trigger was shooting the same upper and ammo. In my head, I like the MBT trigger better. I didn't get any difference in groups when I had good squeezes. Neither trigger could make up for a bad squeeze. I was in $80 for the MBT and around $200 for the SSA. I've had my SSA for several years and only one outing with the MBT. I did replace the SSA springs early 2018.
How important is atrigger to you? - FLshooter - 07-25-2019
After liking what Iheard,I purchased a Larue MBT 2S trigger off their site for 87.50 delivered.I liked the fact it came with pins.Nothing else to buy.Installed in minutes.
I like it a lot.Had itout shooting 2 times already.First break is 2 1/4 lbs.Second break is under 2 lbs.Really crisp.Definitely worth the price of admission!I see myself getting another.
The only trigger I own that’s better than this one is the geissele national match trigger which cost three times the price . And what makes the Geissele slightly better is that it is fully adjustable I have one and a half pounds on the first pull 11 ounces on the second .
How important is atrigger to you? - diddlyv - 08-04-2019
Spent way too much time using mil spec actual M16, M16A1 triggers to worry much about them. I did put a RR NM trigger on my National Match 5.56 A2 and my 20 Inch Odin 20 inch grendel, the remaining ARs and I have way too many of them sport Mil Spec triggers that had very minor stoning to deburr. They all break reasonably clean. If I can shoot 1.5 to 2 Min with American Eagle ammo out of a non match grade barrel I am ok with it.
Back in the day my M-1A shot MOA all day long with a match grade barrel and mil spec trigger off a rest with iron sights, sadly I no longer have the same eyes I did 20 odd years ago.
For max accuracy a great trigger is a good thing.
From what I see at public ranges, scoped ARs shooting 4 inch plus groups at 25 yards, a decent trigger would be a waste of time until the loose nut behind the butt plate has been tightened up and actually learns to shoot.
How important is atrigger to you? - tracker12 - 09-04-2019
LtDan Wrote:I have just about every AR trigger made Jard, Geiselle, MBT, Rock River, Timney, ELF a few that the name escapes me. For me the trigger is the most important thing as I generally target shoot. I like them to be about 2lbs or less. When I shot Black Powder years ago the set trigger let off was in ounces.What he said