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New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - Double Naught Spy - 05-25-2018
When you go through the school mass shootings, particularly where the shooter survived or left other evidence, revenge is a common theme, often for bullying in various forms, but usually such shootings do not have the shooter being very target specific. It seems to be revenge against the whole of the school. Compare that with singular school shootings whereby the shooter clearly wanted revenge against a specific target and took care of (or tried to) it and that was the end of the shooting. Santa Fe seems to be a mixture of rejection (unrequited love) and possibly bullying. The shooter intentionally did not shoot numerous targets that he did not consider to be part of his problem.
Similar patterns can be seen in many workplace shootings. You get people who just kill their boss and you get people who just shoot up the workplace. Sometimes they get their boss and whomever they saw as a problem. In some cases, they specifically don't target people they like.
As for ritalin causing school shootings, Ollie has lost his mind or maybe needs to be on ritalin himself.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - Tex Nomex - 05-25-2018
Anyone who moved around a lot as a kid knows the score. You're going to be challenged and you'll have to deal with it. Boys and girls. It's not even human psychology; it's animal psychology. Sucks, but it's part of the human condition.
To think one must defeat the bully is to misunderstand the situation. It's an initiation of sorts into the group. You don't have to defeat bullies, you merely have to make picking on you cost more than it's worth to them. Just getting in a few punches each time and standing your ground will usually be enough to stop the beatings and you'll make friends quickly for standing up for yourself, usually with others who fight back when pushed.
Suffering the beatings and just taking it seems to just result in more abuse and by more people. Making friends will be harder and, at first anyway, will likely be others who didn't fight back. Seems there's an underlying psychology of no respect for people who won't defend themselves.
Doesn't apply to everyone in every situation, but is a good rule of thumb. Some kids instinctively fight back, thinking, "Well, what else would I do?" For others, it's more difficult.
I first learned this lesson in grade school from a new kid from Michigan. Served me well with every move.
There's trouble brewing when kids won't fight back and become a constantly victimized pariah or they do fight back and the bullying doesn't stop. Probably need to get adults involved at that point, if only to head off any deadly means of retaliation...
Kids aren't being taught such simple truths, even as they see them play out every day in their own lives. They are instead having their minds filled with social narratives that are absolute fantasy. A parent's job is to prepare their kids for living an honest, productive life here on Earth. I'm convinced we aren't living up to that and we're all paying a high price for it.
Get off my lawn! Damned kids...
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - stanc - 05-25-2018
Sticks Wrote:I don't understand your problem with what I said. Are not guns a common factor of all mass shootings? And is it unreasonable to think that the individual medical/psychological issues for which psyche meds were taken are the actual causal factor, not the meds? After all, millions of people in this country reportedly take psyche meds; if meds were the causal factor, shouldn't we be seeing tens or even hundreds of thousands of mass shootings?stan Wrote:That's nonsense. Firearms are clearly a common denominator of these mass shootings.These are the statements that get you the "Troll" moniker...
Psyche meds may or may not be a causal factor. It could very well be that the medical issues (which the meds are meant to treat) are the actual causal factor.
Sticks Wrote:...and cause us to question weather or not you are in favor of further firearm restrictions up to and including a gun ban.Well, I answered that question when asked in another thread. I'm not even in favor of existing gun laws, let alone any new legislation.
I'm just not afraid of the truth: There wouldn't be any mass shootings by deranged individuals if guns were not readily available. Refusing to acknowledge that fact doesn't make it go away.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - stanc - 05-25-2018
montana Wrote:No Stan, I was never a bully. I never started any fight, but I never ran from one either.Ha! You sound exactly like my best friend. He said he constantly got in fights in high school, but never started any of them.
montana Wrote:Life is not care bears and unicorns and to believe other wise is a fools game.Our experiences were vastly different. I don't recall ever seeing (or even hearing) of any fights between other kids in any of the five different schools I went to, and was only challenged to a fight myself just once during those 12 years. That was in elementary school, and it really wasn't much of a fight, being stopped by a teacher right after I gave the kid a bloody nose. As a result, I may have sorta thought that life was care bears and unicorns. :o
montana Wrote:I guess we grew up in different worlds. It would have been suicide to throw a rock at a persons house in my youth.No, no. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I wasn't talking about in your youth. I meant in the present day. If your neighbor were to make harassing phone calls to you, or throws rocks at your house, you're expected to call the police. If you try to "deal with it" yourself by going over and beating him bloody, there's a good chance that you will be arrested.
Or maybe I'm wrong, and you could get away with that in Montana?
montana Wrote:That is the point Stan, it is our adversity that makes us who we are. Life is not fair. It isn't necessarily the winning or easy accomplishments in life that shapes us, but the failures, depredations, humiliations, and hardships we over come that shapes us.Completely agree.
montana Wrote:You may not have been physically imposing Stan, but your keen wit and ability to think is not one of your weaknesses. I cannot see you crying to Gene if one of us was mean to you on this forum LOL. You are one of the best fighters I know LOL.Heh, heh. On the internet, anyone can be fearless.
But no, I wouldn't report anybody to a moderator, for anything said to me. Not on this or any other forum. Never have, never would.
montana Wrote:The old saying: life is like a grinding wheel, it will either highly polish you or grind you to nothing, it all depends on what your made of.Indeed. Some people are made of the toughest steel. I think I'm made of Styrofoam... :eek:
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - LRRPF52 - 05-25-2018
Double Naught Spy Wrote:When you go through the school mass shootings, particularly where the shooter survived or left other evidence, revenge is a common theme, often for bullying in various forms, but usually such shootings do not have the shooter being very target specific. It seems to be revenge against the whole of the school. Compare that with singular school shootings whereby the shooter clearly wanted revenge against a specific target and took care of (or tried to) it and that was the end of the shooting. Santa Fe seems to be a mixture of rejection (unrequited love) and possibly bullying. The shooter intentionally did not shoot numerous targets that he did not consider to be part of his problem.
Similar patterns can be seen in many workplace shootings. You get people who just kill their boss and you get people who just shoot up the workplace. Sometimes they get their boss and whomever they saw as a problem. In some cases, they specifically don't target people they like.
As for ritalin causing school shootings, Ollie has lost his mind or maybe needs to be on ritalin himself.
I find that interesting too, that mass school shootings aren't target-specific always. Just being able to lash out at the school itself (and the people contained within the kill zone) is enough.
Agreed on the workplace violence and targeted killings, which are something much different, but agenda-driven disinformation spigots try to lump these in with all school or mass shootings.
If you read Oliver North's actual statements, and not the CNN click-bait headlines, he never said Ritalin causes school shootings. It is interesting though how many (appears to be all) school shootings are perpetrated by someone on or withdrawing from psychotropic medication, especially the worst ones, and how that is true in the US and abroad.
We can statistically say that if there is some type of mass casualty violence at a school, the perpetrator(s) are much more likely to be on/withdrawing from psych meds, than they are to use any type of firearm.
Out of the dozens of cases I listed before, ALL were on/withdrawing from psych meds. Not all of them used firearms, as stabbing was quite popular, even among the female perpetrators. Bombs and baseball bats were the lesser choices of weapons.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - LRRPF52 - 05-25-2018
As to bullying, if I don't pay the 92% of my local property taxes so that other people's children can be turned from naturally curious, to disinterested zombies incapable of critical thought, the local authorities will bully me and my family off of our property.
Government-funded (i.e. taxpayer fleeced) schools are the embodiment of bullying and victimizing of people, in the name of education that never happens.
It would be nice if I could spend that money on educating my children or whatever I chose to, but I'm not allowed to because some small group of people who thought that government should be in the schooling business made it a precedent before any of us were born, in direct opposition to the foundational principles of out Nation.
Now they are dealing with the consequences of their inability (or unwillingness) to secure the mass casualty collection kill boxes, filled with victimized children and a bullying culture, with a substantial portion of the population drugged up on strange narcotics that have violent consequences.
And somehow that means that particular or all firearms should be banned.
See how the problem magnifies itself when you have the governed and governors that are all products of the same system?
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - stanc - 05-25-2018
LRRPF52 Wrote:We can statistically say that if there is some type of mass casualty violence at a school, the perpetrator(s) are much more likely to be on/withdrawing from psych meds, than they are to use any type of firearm.If you want to play that game, we can also statistically say that if there is some type of mass casualty violence at a school, the perpetrator(s) are much more likely to use a firearm than any other type of weapon.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - NugginFutz - 05-25-2018
stanc Wrote:If you want to play that game, we can also statistically say that if there is some type of mass casualty violence at a school, the perpetrator(s) are much more likely to use a firearm than any other type of weapon.
One does not negate the other.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - LRRPF52 - 05-25-2018
stanc Wrote:If you want to play that game, we can also statistically say that if there is some type of mass casualty violence at a school, the perpetrator(s) are much more likely to use a firearm than any other type of weapon.
That is true, with somewhere around a 75% incident rate at least.
But 100% are still on/withdrawing from psych meds.
Looks like all have been victims of bullying.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - StoneHendge - 05-25-2018
stanc Wrote:That's nonsense. Firearms are clearly a common denominator of these mass shootings.
LOL. Yes, you need a firearm for a mass shooting. Knives are a common denominator of mass stabbings. Bombs are a common denominator in mass bombings. Vans & Trucks are a common denominator in mass run overs. Planes are a common denominator in pilots purposely crashing planes to kill the passengers. Firearms aren't the common denominator in mass murders.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - stanc - 05-25-2018
LRRPF52 Wrote:That is true, with somewhere around a 75% incident rate at least.The question is, is the causal factor the meds, or the individual medical/psychological issues for which the meds were taken?
But 100% are still on/withdrawing from psych meds.
LRRPF52 Wrote:Looks like all have been victims of bullying.Yes. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - stanc - 05-25-2018
StoneHendge Wrote:LOL. Yes, you need a firearm for a mass shooting. Knives are a common denominator of mass stabbings. Bombs are a common denominator in mass bombings. Vans & Trucks are a common denominator in mass run overs. Planes are a common denominator in pilots purposely crashing planes to kill the passengers. Firearms aren't the common denominator in mass murders.That's all true, but quite irrelevant. The subject of the CNN report is school shootings, not stabbings, bombings, or whatever.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - LRRPF52 - 05-25-2018
stanc Wrote:That's all true, but quite irrelevant. The subject of the CNN report is school shootings, not stabbings, bombings, or whatever.
The subject of the CNN hit piece is misrepresenting Oliver North's statements because they have an agenda to attack the NRA.
This is pretty simple for anyone to see.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - Sticks - 05-25-2018
And the point once again launched right over his head.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - stanc - 05-25-2018
LRRPF52 Wrote:The subject of the CNN hit piece is misrepresenting Oliver North's statements because they have an agenda to attack the NRA.I don't see any such misrepresentation. It seemed pretty clear that Ollie was trying to blame Ritalin use for school shootings. Otherwise, what would be the point in mentioning Ritalin use?
This is pretty simple for anyone to see.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - stanc - 05-25-2018
Sticks Wrote:And the point once again launched right over his head.What point is that, pray tell?
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - JASmith - 05-26-2018
stanc Wrote:What point is that, pray tell?You just validated his point!!!
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - PeterD - 05-26-2018
Today I learned that Ritalin and Cocaine are chemically very similar structures. Ritalin and it's controlled dosage being slower uptake on the dopamine system in the brain but people have learned to crush the Ritalin into a powder and abuse it similar to Cocaine. I also learned it has chemical interaction with a host of medicines including antidepressants so now I am wondering more about the claims than before.
https://www.drugrehab.us/news/links-between-ritalin-cocaine/
A side by side chemical model of both Ritalin and Cocaine is on this site.
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/ritalin/
Back in my day I knew high school students that would abuse cough syrups and motion sickness tablets, paint thinners and aerosol propellents. I can only imagine what kids and high schoolers with the internet at their fingertips on their phones today can quickly learn about in pursuit of dangerous highs.
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - stanc - 05-26-2018
JASmith Wrote:You just validated his point!!!Perhaps so, but that still doesn't tell me what point Sticks thinks was "once again launched right over his head."
New NRA Pres: Ritalin Causes School Shootings - StoneHendge - 05-26-2018
Sticks Wrote:And the point once again launched right over his head.
Give credit where credit is due. His schtick is to play the part of an anti-gun liberal. He's perfected the art of mimicking their mental disorders.