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Decent BUIS for less money? - Frontier Gear - 11-26-2017
bj139,
What brand are they? Do you have a link for them?
Decent BUIS for less money? - FOGII - 11-26-2017
[quote=Frontier Gear]Can I ask which Magpuls you are using?
FG,
Gen2 in Black for the fight picture, not any of the "Tacticool" CDI colors.
S/F,FOG
Decent BUIS for less money? - Sticks - 11-26-2017
bj139 Wrote:I have these:
They are solid and point to the same spot as the scope.
I posted about the BUIS I added to my Howa mini Grendel here:
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?15375-Howa-Mini-Action-6-5-Grendel-Youth-(HMY30603-)
I was flamed with lots of comments about how I didn't need them but if i need them, I have them.
I only read one comment on your particular BUIS - to whit I agree that it is a legitimate concern, and not even a heat gun on the want or need for BUIS through the rest of the thread.
On my AR, I can rotate slightly and sight along the top rail and be MOM out to 100.
I could probably figure out what I need to hold on a Howa doing the same with a little practice. Even a shotgun bead on the end of the barrel I think would be sufficient for contact to 100y in hunting.
Batteries. They are small, and easily stashed on a weapon for spares. Battery dieing on a hunt debunked (or even TEOWAWKI - Aimpoint is 5 years constant on. Second battery kept in storage now you got ten years post apocalyptic red dot, and congratulations to you for staying alive and still have ammo). If both batteries fail, that is considered an omen and you should go home. Scope breakage on a hunt - I can see that, especially in damp wooded areas or rocky terrain and you take a header. You a physically OK but your shooting system is FUBAR.
Question. If you have a scope for hunting out to 300, do you really want to try to do that with irons?
If you are now restricted because of irons to 100 or less, is it worth it to continue the hunt, or turn around and head back for another option? This is where I can see carrying a spare scope that has already been zeroed for your rifle and keep it at base camp/truck/or small and light enough to keep in your pack and do a quick swap rather than fight with irons at an offset angle. A 1-4x I would think is more than enough for 300.
Too much optic (should have got the variable that you keep at the low end until you are ready to take the shot) for the up close encounters that honestly you could probably point shoot pretty accurately out to 50. This is a practice thing, that anyone that puts a set of BUIS on a firing system should be putting as much practice time on as their primary. BUIS is worthless if you only used them once to sight in - especially if they are offset.
Not flaming you, It's your rifle, do your thing brother. I am just presenting other potential options that could streamline things for others that are pondering this BUIS issue on a hunting rig.
YMMV. I only hunt paper and steel, and they have a tendency to stay put while I get a good final firing position and dial my dope and hold for windage, plus they don't jump out at me when I am moving to the next stage.
Decent BUIS for less money? - bj139 - 11-26-2017
Sticks, I agree. I don't have any BUIS on my target only AR15s.
Deer have a tendency to run while you are attaching your backup scope. You have to use your backup now while you have a chance.
I sure hope I stay alive on my deer hunt. That should not be a consideration. I will be wearing plenty of blaze orange as required by law.
If a bullet hits my scope it will be a very bad hunt. I would probably be unable to continue.
People talk about hitting a deer at 400 yards with iron sights. My question is "what deer"? It will be hidden behind the front sight post.
My BUIS are for 25 to 50 yards and only for backup so completely manually operated. Why would I want to rely on a battery for 25 yards?
Decent BUIS for less money? - bj139 - 11-26-2017
Frontier Gear Wrote:bj139,
What brand are they? Do you have a link for them?
Sorry, I didn't notice the link did not post.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Front-and-Rear-Flip-Up-45-Degree-Offset-Rapid-Transition-Backup-Iron-Sight/265965790
Decent BUIS for less money? - funnelcake - 11-26-2017
Some Holiday sales on Magpul MBUS 2.0 sets for $49.95 w/ free S&H... I think a couple places also had Diamondhead polymer sight sets for $40 bucks, but I’ve never used those. In the price range, the MBUS 2.0’s are the best engineered & built IMO.
Decent BUIS for less money? - AZHTfreak - 11-27-2017
These by GG&G - I use them on my CQB. Simple, light and indestructable... Buy once, cry once.
https://www.gggaz.com/45-degree-transition-sights.html
They also have their regular BUIS on sale
https://www.gggaz.com/ar-front-and-rear-sight-packages-manually-deployed.html
Decent BUIS for less money? - henschman - 11-28-2017
Magpul MBUS polymer sights did the best out of any in a torture test several years ago, and they aren't too pricey. I use MBUS front sights on all mine... I use others for the rear sight due to my desire for adjustable elevation and/or needing to be low profile enough to clear the ocular housing of low mounted optics.
Decent BUIS for less money? - henschman - 11-28-2017
henschman said:Today 12:03 AM
Magpul MBUS polymer sights did the best out of any in a torture test several years ago, and they aren't too pricey. I use MBUS front sights on all mine... I use others for the rear sight due to my desire for adjustable elevation and/or needing to be low profile enough to clear the ocular housing of low mounted optics, but if you just need good basic irons, the MBUS are a quality, durable choice.
Decent BUIS for less money? - JJA Guns - 11-29-2017
I have had good luck with Aero Precision sights on customers rifles. Not the most expensive not cheap either. Never had a set come back with any issues, and I know quite a few are primary sights on truck guns.
Decent BUIS for less money? - SPQR 70AD - 12-01-2017
UTG sights are all metal cheap and as good as the overpriced ones
Decent BUIS for less money? - Frontier Gear - 12-01-2017
SPQR 70AD Wrote:UTG sights are all metal cheap and as good as the overpriced ones
Those look almost identical to the BCA sights.
Decent BUIS for less money? - SPQR 70AD - 12-01-2017
I have UTG flip up sites and standard rifle sites and they are great
Decent BUIS for less money? - LRRPF52 - 12-02-2017
One technique I've learned in the Arctic that works temporarily for fogged scopes is to spit water on the ocular lens when it fogs from your breath and face heat.
Another is to wear a face mask and be in shape enough to have a low working heart rate so you don't exhale so many BTUs through your mouth and nostrils, but that would involve taking it easy on the pralined candied yams, fried turkey, homemade stuffing, fresh rolls, gravy, my cranberry sauce recipe with cloves and cinnamon, coconut creme pie, caramelized pecan pie, blueberry pie...what were we talking about again?
Another option besides battery-powered micro RDS is the Trijicon RMR, with multiple dot sizes you can choose from.
Offset or piggyback the RMR for your close range movers and back-up aiming system to a quality variable power scope for hunting.
Not a low price option though.
Examples of Aimpoint vs Trijicon RMR (with fiber-optic illumination)
![[Image: T1_RMR_First_Person_View.jpg]](https://www.trex-arms.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/T1_RMR_First_Person_View.jpg)
Decent BUIS for less money? - SPQR 70AD - 12-02-2017
LRRPF52 Wrote:One technique I've learned in the Arctic that works temporarily for fogged scopes is to spit water on the ocular lens when it fogs from your breath and face heat.
Another is to wear a face mask and be in shape enough to have a low working heart rate so you don't exhale so many BTUs through your mouth and nostrils, but that would involve taking it easy on the pralined candied yams, fried turkey, homemade stuffing, fresh rolls, gravy, my cranberry sauce recipe with cloves and cinnamon, coconut creme pie, caramelized pecan pie, blueberry pie...what were we talking about again?
Another option besides battery-powered micro RDS is the Trijicon RMR, with multiple dot sizes you can choose from.
Offset or piggyback the RMR for your close range movers and back-up aiming system to a quality variable power scope for hunting.
Not a low price option though.
Examples of Aimpoint vs Trijicon RMR (with fiber-optic illumination)
looking thru those red dots and the way the severely limit the field of view I still say for most work the issue ghost ring irons are the best and with a little practice can be used with both eyes open
Decent BUIS for less money? - pinzgauer - 12-02-2017
Klem Wrote:Why do you need them?
I know it's all about if your primary optic crashes but let's be realistic, how often does that happen?
Can't answer when you would or would not need them.
But there is a reason they have private Snuffy tie his optic on. And they still lose them.
I've seen a locktited aimpoint come loose in it's mount and spin.
They are crazy expensive relative to size. But pretty complex.
I still like shooting iron sight carbines for fun, so lean toward the LMT cut down carry handle, the DD A1.5, and the new scalar works. But those are fixed, not folding.
Decent BUIS for less money? - pinzgauer - 12-02-2017
SPQR 70AD Wrote:looking thru those red dots and the way the severely limit the field of view I still say for most work the issue ghost ring irons are the best and with a little practice can be used with both eyes open
I think the pics are a bit misleading. FOV on my aimpoint and the Eotechs I've used was better.
Lately I've been shooting both eyes open, mainly due to an dominant eye problem hopefully soon to be fixed.
On hunting bolt actions, never worried about irons, though my main go to still has them. But I'd have to remove the scope.
On ARs except bench guns I want them.
Decent BUIS for less money? - Klem - 12-02-2017
SPQR 70AD Wrote:looking thru those red dots and the way the severely limit the field of view I still say for most work the issue ghost ring irons are the best and with a little practice can be used with both eyes open
Red dots with 0 magnification are parallax free. You don't 'look through' them with one eye closed, you use them with both eyes open. They are faster than iron sights because you only line up two things; the dot with the target. With iron sights you have to line up three things; your eye, rearsight/foresight, and the target.
Decent BUIS for less money? - SPQR 70AD - 12-02-2017
Klem Wrote:Red dots with 0 magnification are parallax free. You don't 'look through' them with one eye closed, you use them with both eyes open. They are faster than iron sights because you only line up two things; the dot with the target. With iron sights you have to line up three things; your eye, rearsight/foresight, and the target.
I understand that. what I mean if you look at his pics of the aim point a man could fit on either side of the sight and you would not see him. they had a speed test in the web site rifle shooter with shotguns. one had ghost ring sights the other a red dot. the ghost ring edged out the red dot by very little
Decent BUIS for less money? - StoneHendge - 12-02-2017
SPQR 70AD Wrote:I understand that. what I mean if you look at his pics of the aim point a man could fit on either side of the sight and you would not see him. they had a speed test in the web site rifle shooter with shotguns. one had ghost ring sights the other a red dot. the ghost ring edged out the red dot by very little
Looking at a picture is like having one eye closed. Think of the pic as only having your dominant eye open. When you open your other eye, it sees around the housing.