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New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - PVBoom - 11-14-2017
The Larue might start chewing up the rail with the way it clamps in. They use a unique method of clamping.
Quote:For frequent swapping if scores, I would stay away from LaRue. I have not had good luck with them at all.http://opticstalk.com/one-rifle-multiple-scopes-keeping-zero_topic44289.html
Over time, they seem to chew up the rail which messes with reliability.
ILya
http://opticstalk.com/ar-style-qd-scope-mount_topic44174.html
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - PVBoom - 11-14-2017
And here is the primary reason I won't touch Aero Precision mounts...
Quote:Based on what I saw in this thread, the problem is likely a combination of the mount and the scope.
Generally, a little while back I got my hands on three Aero Precision mounts and have spent some time messing with them. All apply uneven pressure onto the scope tube and with some scopes it can cause an issue.
I do not have too much mileage with he Strike Eagle, but I have seen this basic design used by a few other brands and it left me soundly unimpressed. If you want a low range variable from Vortex, extend your budget a bit and get a 1-4x24 PST.
The reason you were only seeing the problem at 6x is that when you change the magnification of a scope, there are a couple of internal lens groups that move. It is most likely that when you set the scope to 6x, the one of the lens groups moves right under the portion of the tube that was being deformed by the out of round ring. That would preclude the lens group from moving the way it is supposed and possibly make it susceptible to recoil.
Have you tried shooting groups at lower magnifications? like 3x or 2x?
It is entirely possible that the scope is damaged and I am sure Vortex will take care of you. However, with the Aero Precision mounts I have, I concluded that in order to use them, they will have to be lapped and only used on guns with minimal recoil.
ILya
http://opticstalk.com/scope-consistency-issue_topic43463.html?KW=Aero+precision
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - PVBoom - 11-14-2017
I will be going with an Aadmount on my build. I can deal with no QD.
I was considering the GGG&Z as an option, then ADM when I considered QD a requirement.
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - Klem - 11-14-2017
PVBoom Wrote:I will be going with an Aadmount on my build. I can deal with no QD.
I was considering the GGG&Z as an option, then ADM when I considered QD a requirement.
There is one more high-end mount not yet mentioned, SPUHR.
SPUHR make both QD and standard 4-Torx screws cantilever mounts for the AR15. If you use a standard screw-attach and have got a torque screwdriver, or mark the spot when the torque is the same you can take them off and on and retain a meaningful zero.
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http://www.spuhr.biz/ideal-scope-mount-system
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - PVBoom - 11-14-2017
Klem Wrote:There is one more high-end mount not yet mentioned, SPUHR.
SPUHR make both QD and standard 4-Torx screws cantilever mounts for the AR15. If you use a standard screw-attach and have got a torque screwdriver, or mark the spot when the torque is the same you can take them off and on and retain a meaningful zero.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]10130[/ATTACH]
http://www.spuhr.biz/ideal-scope-mount-system
I see Spuhr as at the level of the Aadmount, but not worth the extra money.
Its also European as opposed to US or Canadian (Near).
If I wanted to spend more money, I would choose the works of art that Richard Near produces. Don't hate me after looking at them...
http://www.nearmfg.com/products.htm
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - Klem - 11-14-2017
PVBoom Wrote:I see Spuhr as at the level of the Aadmount, but not worth the extra money.
Its also European as opposed to US or Canadian (Near).
If I wanted to spend more money, I would choose the works of art that Richard Near produces. Don't hate me after looking at them...
http://www.nearmfg.com/products.htm
Near are definitely nearer to the States than Sweden. What's wrong with Europe?
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - PVBoom - 11-14-2017
I just meant buy North American. Shipping costs?
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - Klem - 11-14-2017
PVBoom Wrote:I just meant buy North American. Shipping costs?
That definitely is an issue. Quantico Tactical and Brownells are US distributors of SPUHR and sell them for $450 (+ postage). Aadmount are selling via their website for $275 (+ postage). Big difference in price and unlikely you will see a difference in results unless the rest of your gun is similarly perfect.
SPUHR occasionally have good deals on their Swedish website. For example, at the moment they're selling a few Ceracoated 34mm mounts for 306EUR ($365USD). Plus a few dollars in international postage and it's still less than buying it locally. Unsure if they will post to the US however now that they sponsor US distributors.
https://spuhrwebshop.com/en/isms/contract-overruns/sp-4002-coy.html
As for North America being a guarantee of quality. I have returned my share of 'Made-in-USA' under warranty. Lot's of US companies now assemble overseas anyway. Vortex in Wisconsin make their scopes in China, the Philippines and Japan. Nightforce opened a plant in Idaho as they got bigger but is still owned by the Australian company, Lightforce. LaRue, Magpul and plenty of others are entirely made in the USA. If it's a nationalistic thing I understand completely, but sometimes people disguise where the parts are made and assembled. I don;t really care where it's made, as long as it is quality, available and a fair price.
Couldn't see any cantilever AR15 mounts on the Near website. Do you know if they offer any?
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - PVBoom - 11-14-2017
Klem Wrote:Couldn't see any cantilever AR15 mounts on the Near website. Do you know if they offer any?
I don't think they do, I was putting it up since those Alphamounts look so beautiful. I know you can get them in various heights. I am also uncertain about the cantilever requirement when everyone and their mother are running full length picatinny rails on their handguards
I am aware of the source of most scopes today, and am quite happy with my Japanese glass (SWFA). Of course with more disposable income I would be buying Zeiss and Swarovski and Trijicon (I did score a nice used 10x Habicht Nova 10 years ago) . I want to get a Leica some day.
I just see the Spuhr as a ludicrously overpriced option for what you get (by about $175).
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - LRRPF52 - 11-14-2017
PVBoom Wrote:The Larue might start chewing up the rail with the way it clamps in. They use a unique method of clamping.You can also get the LaRue VFZ mounting option, which is $50 off the normal price if you don't want QD.
http://opticstalk.com/one-rifle-multiple-scopes-keeping-zero_topic44289.html
http://opticstalk.com/ar-style-qd-scope-mount_topic44174.html
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - Klem - 11-14-2017
LRRPF52 Wrote:You can also get the LaRue VFZ mounting option, which is $50 off the normal price if you don't want QD.
I seem to recall 52' you being suspicious of QD mounts from your courses. At that time I had a big think and have now gone all screw clamps for main scopes. I have a couple of LaRue QD's now sitting idle, replaced by the peace of mind that comes from straight clamps with known torque. More streamlined too and less chance of catching on clothing. I'm thinking the only reason QD would be better than screws was if you needed to remove a damaged scope in a hurry. Everything else is just a couple of minutes with a torque screwdriver.
PVBoom...One man's 'ludicrous' is another man's pride and peace of mind. Everyone has a perception of what is value for money. The scope in the picture is a March Tactical (made in Japan). The types of guns talked about on this forum are relatively cheap when compared against other shooting disciplines so it's all relative. Coming from an F Class background where competitive guns cost $5,000+ I don't see $175 as anything more than 'buy once cry once'.
Leica does make nice glass. I have an 8*42 pair of Leica binoculars and the colors pop. It has 'Made in Portugal' on the side...
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New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - Klem - 11-15-2017
PVBoom Wrote:I am also uncertain about the cantilever requirement when everyone and their mother are running full length picatinny rails on their handguards
I don't trust the stability of a handguard for long-range magnified optics. It's a popular opinion which is why the cantilever market exists. If you're thinking of straddling the join with a clamping mount, as opposed to two separate mounts then that will probably work too.
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - LRRPF52 - 11-15-2017
Klem Wrote:I seem to recall 52' you being suspicious of QD mounts from your courses. At that time I had a big think and have now gone all screw clamps for main scopes. I have a couple of LaRue QD's now sitting idle, replaced by the peace of mind that comes from straight clamps with known torque. More streamlined too and less chance of catching on clothing. I'm thinking the only reason QD would be better than screws was if you needed to remove a damaged scope in a hurry. Everything else is just a couple of minutes with a torque screwdriver.I've only seen loose mounts when people don't follow the distractions and tighten them with good pressure at the 45˚ angle.
PVBoom...One man's 'ludicrous' is another man's pride and peace of mind. Everyone has a perception of what is value for money. The scope in the picture is a March Tactical (made in Japan). The types of guns talked about on this forum are relatively cheap when compared against other shooting disciplines so it's all relative. Coming from an F Class background where competitive guns cost $5,000+ I don't see $175 as anything more than 'buy once cry once'.
Leica does make nice glass. I have an 8*42 pair of Leica binoculars and the colors pop. It has 'Made in Portugal' on the side....
New to Grendel, scope and scope mount question - Kswhitetails - 11-20-2017
So far I have disconnected my LT130s across several trips to the range. Of those several trips, the mount has been switched to another rifle, fired four groups (to gauge the accuracy of the barrel and build, not for zero) and returned to the donor rifle; then another time- fired for group, taken off, rifle fired three rounds with irons, and replaced; and swapped several times on one trip. All to verify zero. All removals and re-attachments have yielded complete RTZ inside MOA at 100 yards. The largest change was from rifle to rifle at two moa right, then when replaced on the original rail, it was at the original zero. I couldnt be happier with its performance.
As far as chewing up the rail, I guess you have a case of - what do you want? A mount that works, allow precision QD across multiple removals, multiple weapons, and still keeps you on target, or not? The rifles rail is a tool not jewelry. The LT QD mounts are jewelry for your rifle. It says: yea, it really is a great rifle, and yea - its real. Though both my mounts both came with a dab of anti seize on the cams. I find the anti seize cleans off and the FDE ceracote on my rail is in tact still. I replace the compound when necessary. My cams are set to the instructed 45degrees at contact, then levered tight. Go figure.
Just my impressions so far. And yes, I can and do demonstrate the reliability to anyone that doubts it. There are more and much less expensive mounts, but I have found or heard of none anywhere that are more versatile.
imHo of course...