StoneHendge Wrote:Just read the review again and it seems that the 90 gr VLD going 2700 was pulled out of thin air. No comment whatsoever in the article as to where that number came from. Just a number in a chart. Not saying it's not possible, but debate is pointless until there's actual real world data.

But Federal must smell blood in the water with Nosler's stupid design. There's obviously a market (and a high end one at that) as I keep seeing more barrel makers get into 22 Nosler. Looks like Rainier will now sell you several different configurations in their ultra match line for 500 clams.

I think the most telling sign of the problems with 22 Nosler is that 9 months after introduction, not a single powder manufacturer has put out any load data. Nor has anyone else put their name on the stupid rebated rimmed brass.

Arkhangel5 Wrote:Stonehenge,
And that is assuming that a 90gr VLD will shoot loaded to magazine length.

The pic shown representing the Valkyrie is not a VLD, it looks like a Sierra MK, there is a big difference in the BC's for each bullet, eg Berger 90vld = .560bc, 90gr SMK = .504bc.

I have played with the 90vld and it is a finicky bullet to get shooting properly. It is very sensitive to barrel twist, seating depth and powder charge.

Examples 1-7tw .223 26in barrel gets around 2600fps, would not shoot accurately above that speed in that barrel.

28in 1-6.5tw would net around 2840fps and sensitive to seating depth, shot like a laser when it was on, the amount of testing getting to that combination was interesting.

My point is, the tester cherrypicked the best numbers and threw them out there. If only going by the numbers, it looks like a good cartridge, but for what.

SY

NugginFutz Wrote:I couldn't help but notice that the source (Nathaniel F at TFB) chose a slick bullet for the Valkyrie, and all SMK's for the rest, so I decided I would try to re-run the numbers with an evened playing field.

I also noticed his BC for the 90 gr VLD was significantly higher than Berger's own posted G7 of 0.274, so I ran with the corrected BC.

Next, I chose a tried and true 123 Scenar for the Grendel. It is a solid choice for VLD comparisons.

Lastly, I updated the 77 grain from the SMK to Berger's Tactical/OTM, with an improved .192 G7 BC. Because the Wylde was simply the same projectile running 50 fps slower than the 22 Nosler, I omitted it entirely as being redundant.

I kept all the velocities as previously posted, and ran the numbers using the Applied Ballistics engine with standard atmospheric and temperature values. With the playing field now evened, the results are somewhat different.



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Even still, the Valkyrie does maintain a slight edge on drop and windage, but never gets close for retained energy at any distance.

BluntForceTrauma Wrote:Federal just released their YouTube video for the 224 Valkyrie.

And, yes, they WENT THERE!

Claimed it was the "best MSR 15 round ever".

Oh, no they di'nt! Them thar's fightin' werdz!

Remember, the Horde was there first with short and fat and sleek and long.

Seriously, cool round. Check it out.

JASmith Wrote:The muzpzle velocity numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. The 22 Nosler does not get 3000 fps from even a 77 gr bullet per their load data page: https://load-data.nosler.com/nosler-load-data/pdf/22-nosler/22-nosler-77gr.pdf

bj139 Wrote:When someone says 224 Valkyrie is better than 6.5 Grendel I guess I get offended.

Sticks Wrote:More powder behind that Valkyrie round I'll bet.

The 3k FPS, I did not play with the numbers much, just hit something that kept it close to trans sonic at 1300 - per their advert. for super sonic at 1300. I'll bet it's close.

JASmith Wrote:Are we supposed to ignore the velocity call out in the image StoneHendge posted?