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Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - LRRPF52 - 10-12-2011

That is an amazing photo and story sir. Very cool...looks like an even 6x6.

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - RangerRick - 10-13-2011

MKN574 Wrote:...I practice regularly out to 1000yrds with my 50bmg and spend a lot of time at the 500 to 600 yrd range with the grendel and 308. I am not wanting to shoot my cow elk at these ranges though. Planing on trying to keep it under 300yrds.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Welcome. Can you tell us about your experience with the Grendel in winds out at 600 yards compared to the 308? Any advice?

RR

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - Aquateen - 10-13-2011

bwaites Wrote:I would disagree. If you aren't sure of a lethal, humane shot, you shouldn't take the shot. I've heard so many stories of deer lost from .300 WinMag hits that I can't even count them. How much more gun would help that?

More gun doesn't help unless you can put the bullet where it should have been in the first place!

Ding Ding Ding.... winner! I believe this rule should apply to anything you plan on killing.

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - MKN574 - 10-14-2011

RangerRick Wrote:Hi Mike,

Welcome. Can you tell us about your experience with the Grendel in winds out at 600 yards compared to the 308? Any advice?

RR

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Most of my practice is not paper punching. We go out on a friends property and do what we call canyon shooting. We use what we would have while out hunting, backpack, bipod, rangefinder and our gun. I figure if I cannot hit a 6" to 12" target in a real hunting situation on the first shot I have no business taking it. The winds are usually always changing in the canyons. They both are pretty close as far as adjustments for the wind but in my experience I think the 308 barely edges out the grendel. I do my paper punching at 100 to 200yrds. I can get as far as 500yrds on paper but never have shot paper with any significant amount of wind. If the wind is more than 10mph I will try to cut the distance or not take the shot. I know this probably doesn't answer your question completely. One thing we have done in the winter months when it is wet(soaked) is shoot tracers with a breeze. It really opened my eyes on how much your bullet moves left and right when shooting across canyons. Not to mention it is cool as hell to watch your round drop/drift onto your target. Here is my disclaimer. DO NOT shoot the tracers when it is dry out. Smile

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - sneaky one - 10-14-2011

Dave j. maybe get closer in to shoot at game,, wind swirling around is no excuse for not trying to snipe - close up. The Grrr. is fine, close or far, within reason- by way of speeds, and a bit more forgiving than say a .22 caliber . Know thy rifle, know it's trajectory- path. The Grendel round== nice -name,,, works,- within it's limits. It is not magic!! Any one that shoots long range with the grr. round is asking for a wounded animal,,, unless you are a---- shooter. Not a wknd. warrior shooter,,, a real deal sniper kind of shooter= even then,,, the grrr., is better close in, given the bullets we can choose from. I've chosen the lighter wt. gmx bullets to take deer within 250 yrds. Many prefer a 120 grn. bullet, lead core based. Over confidence will wound more deer than , knowing the bullet you use inside and out, without questions, about it's range and capabilities, and a lot of testing- h2o juggs- any kind of throw away ribbz- meat chunks from the local groc. store== real world testing. Do it. Do it at diff. ranges, to see the effects, and accuracy- even in (switching winds).

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - mpstan - 10-14-2011

Hi MKN,

Nice picture....... beautiful animal.

I know 100 TTSX are the darlings right now but I bought two boxes of 120's and am headed out for opening day to the Tonasket, WA area tomorrow with them. My 19.5" Grendel, with good old TAC, 28.3 grains, gives me 2409 fps and .6 to .7 inch 5 shot groups with the 120 TTSX.

Good luck

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - RangerRick - 10-14-2011

MKN574 Wrote:.

Most of my practice is not paper punching. We go out on a friends property and do what we call canyon shooting. We use what we would have while out hunting, backpack, bipod, rangefinder and our gun. I figure if I cannot hit a 6" to 12" target in a real hunting situation on the first shot I have no business taking it. The winds are usually always changing in the canyons. They both are pretty close as far as adjustments for the wind but in my experience I think the 308 barely edges out the grendel. I do my paper punching at 100 to 200yrds. I can get as far as 500yrds on paper but never have shot paper with any significant amount of wind. If the wind is more than 10mph I will try to cut the distance or not take the shot. I know this probably doesn't answer your question completely. One thing we have done in the winter months when it is wet(soaked) is shoot tracers with a breeze. It really opened my eyes on how much your bullet moves left and right when shooting across canyons. Not to mention it is cool as hell to watch your round drop/drift onto your target. Here is my disclaimer. DO NOT shoot the tracers when it is dry out.

Thanks! Real world experience is exactly what I was looking for. Great picture, btw. Anyone that can get with 25 yards of an elk for a bow shot is a true hunter.

RR

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - louieprkr - 10-14-2011

I love the arguments on whether or not a specific caliber or range is ethical... I highly doubt anyone is going to change another's opinion on the matter but fun to discuss regardless. My opinion on the matter should be quite obvious based on my signature. We all draw our line of ethics in our way. To me, if the round can do it, and the shootercan hit his target in the right spot (wherever he believes that to be) then go for it. I would in no way endorse the use of rimfire, or "small" caliber (less than .22) centerfire round for whitetail but If you can do the job with a 22-250 then so be it. I guess thats where my line of ethics falls. I am aware that plenty of large game has been taken with a .17HMR, but most would agree thats simply inadequate.

Bill Alexander proved the capability of the grendel with his 400 yard shot and total passthrough as was mentioned before. This gives me confidence the round is capable for quite a few more yards. I know that many variables can change the efficiency of the round/shot, however it can be done with perfect success.

I am willing to bet 9 out of 10 hunters have missed a deer. Does this mean that 9 out of 10 hunters were taking unethical shots? I don't believe so. Here in Georgia, the DNR in part decides how many tags hunters can fill based on how many deer where involved in auto accidents. When they allow for 12 deer to be taken, they are hoping most hunters have a good year. Deer also do a substantial amount of damage on the crops in south georgia, because of this many farmers have spotlighting permits that allow them to hunt year round. Point being, deer can be a bit of a nuisance in the south. Now this doesn't mean I don't respect the animals. I hate the thought of any animal suffering, whether its an opossum or a deer I don't want any animal to suffer. I do bow hunt, which is not always a fast clean kill, but thats hunting. Sometimes a kill takes a while, and sometimes it doesn't happen at all. As hunters it's our responsibility to do our best but I don't find it unethical to use a less than ideal weapon. As long as both you and the weapon are adequately capable, go for it!

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - Mav714 - 05-17-2013

From what I've read you are obviously a skilled hunter! I do not believe that you would take an ill advised shot with any caliber let the Grendel.. I agree with the barnes or the Hornady 123 SST. Remember it's not the caliber but the placement.
I read once where two young native American girls took a Grizzly bear that came too close with a 22 LR.

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - KentuckyBuddha - 05-17-2013

Mav714 Wrote:From what I've read you are obviously a skilled hunter! I do not believe that you would take an ill advised shot with any caliber let the Grendel.. I agree with the barnes or the Hornady 123 SST. Remember it's not the caliber but the placement.
I read once where two young native American girls took a Grizzly bear that came too close with a 22 LR.

....not only that but...
http://badassoftheweek.com/genemoe.html

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - Von Gruff - 05-17-2013

Now that is a heck of a hunting tale even if it is unessarily peppered with cussing. Tough is a state of mind and determination or desperation can overcome seemingly impossible odds.

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - KentuckyBuddha - 05-17-2013

Oh sorry, I remembered the story, and just saw a link that told the tale. But to be fair, I am extremely profane as I seem to find a great deal of things I observe that appear to require profanity to adequately modify them. : )

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - Variable - 05-20-2013

Here is an interview with Gene Moe, and told in his own style of language. Wink

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/protection_gene_moe.aspx

Cow Elk Hunt with Grendel - KentuckyBuddha - 05-20-2013

I prefer the other...but hey that is why they make strawberry and vanilla. : )