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Our military adopting the Grendel? - stanc - 11-17-2011
bwaites Wrote:All the Grendel does at those ranges is give you a better chance to hit torsos, because it has less wind drift!I would expect it to also have better penetration of loaded AK mags (and behind barrier wounding) at long range than 5.56 has.
Our military adopting the Grendel? - bwaites - 11-17-2011
stanc Wrote:I would expect it to also have better penetration of loaded AK mags (and behind barrier wounding) at long range than 5.56 has.
True, but still it equates to punching holes!
Send me AK mags, and I'll add it to the testing regimen!
Our military adopting the Grendel? - stanc - 11-17-2011
bwaites Wrote:Send me AK mags, and I'll add it to the testing regimen!What is your planned testing regimen so far?
What loads do you plan to test?
Our military adopting the Grendel? - bwaites - 11-17-2011
stanc Wrote:What is your planned testing regimen so far?
What loads do you plan to test?
When the FMJ is available, I plan to test it and the 123 SMK (since the SMK's have been approved for military use). I haven't figured out what I will do, but I plan on doing something similar to what I did with steel last year.
It won't happen fast, my youngest gets married in March, so I have to figure out lots of other stuff. But I expect that by late summer I will be doing testing.
It's why I previously suggested you draw up a list of what you would like to see done, and how much you could contribute to that testing.
Our military adopting the Grendel? - stanc - 11-18-2011
bwaites Wrote:When the FMJ is available, I plan to test it and the 123 SMK (since the SMK's have been approved for military use).One test I'd like to see is how the Wolf 6.5 FMJ "hard target" penetration compares with 7.62 M80, against a CMU (backed by jugs of water to check post-barrier energy).
It's why I previously suggested you draw up a list of what you would like to see done, and how much you could contribute to that testing.
I'm willing to pay for the concrete block(s) and the gallon jugs of water (if you don't save emptied milk jugs for that purpose, and have to buy bottled water).
Our military adopting the Grendel? - bwaites - 11-18-2011
stanc Wrote:One test I'd like to see is how the Wolf 6.5 FMJ "hard target" penetration compares with 7.62 M80, against a CMU (backed by jugs of water to check post-barrier energy).
I'm willing to pay for the concrete block(s) and the gallon jugs of water (if you don't save emptied milk jugs for that purpose, and have to buy bottled water).
That's a good test to do, I think! Have you done it with 855?
Our military adopting the Grendel? - stanc - 11-18-2011
bwaites Wrote:That's a good test to do, I think! Have you done it with 855?Yes. 15-20 years ago I did it with 5.56 M855 and 7.62 M80.
M855 penetrated the front, but only cratered slightly the back. M80 punched clear through one block, and through the front of another block behind the first.
Our military adopting the Grendel? - bwaites - 11-18-2011
Good test.
Our military adopting the Grendel? - stanc - 11-18-2011
Forgot to mention, if you do this test, since the Wolf FMJ has a steel jacket, it'd be best to use steel-jacketed M80 Ball.
(Most USGI M80 has steel jackets, but commercial equivalents tend to be gilding metal.)