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BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - pds - 02-14-2015
I just received this info in my email from the NRA-ILA:
In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as armor piercing ammunition. The decision continues Obamas use of his executive authority to impose gun control restrictions and bypass Congress.
pds
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - bwaites - 02-14-2015
And it immediately disappeared from every site on the web!
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - LRRPF52 - 02-15-2015
Scalpers gotta scalp.
From the Administration, this is a 3-day weekend tactic, announce Friday right before the bureaucrats waddle home on our dime, with President's Day on Monday.
Tuesday will be busy for them. When they pulled this type of stunt with lead in fishing weights and ammunition, it went away really quick.
Eric Holder said his biggest failure has been not getting any "common sense" gun control legislation through. Fast & Furious didn't turn out the way they wanted, once US LEO's started getting killed with the same weapons ATF were using to seed their "iron river of guns" initiative.
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - biodsl - 02-16-2015
You can read more, including the ATF excuse for the ban, on the Firearm Blog.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/02/14/batfe-proposing-ban-common-ar-15-ammo-m855/
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - Variable - 02-16-2015
biodsl Wrote:You can read more, including the ATF excuse for the ban, on the Firearm Blog.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/02/14/batfe-proposing-ban-common-ar-15-ammo-m855/
They got that wrong too. An M855 jacket does not constitute over 25% of the projectile's weight. It's more like 17%... DISREGARD. The Arfcom poster who gave the jacket weight information was intentionally lying. It was my major mistake to believe anything I even saw photos of in a scale weighing on Arf. The Derp runneth over...
We definitely can't let this crap slide. We need to contact our congress critters and "comment" on ATF's proposal at a minimum.
I'll be both writing and calling. I'm just waiting on an idealized template to be better finalized over on Arfcom.
The Emperor has no clothes, but since he's riding on PC immunity, he's swinging his codpiece right in our face. If we can't stop and reverse this tide, it'll be the end of us.
We've entered the most dangerous phase during these next two years, and we have to push back very hard. We're going to get steamrolled otherwise.
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - kmon - 02-16-2015
If you do not already know who represents you in congress and their contact information here is a handy website for that.
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/
Just put your zip code in and search. You will get phone number, fax number and web contact information. My reps already have emails sent.
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - usar_ds - 02-17-2015
petition going around too
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-batfe-banning-xm855-ammunition/XrvVh1cj
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - SHORT-N-SASSY - 02-17-2015
[SIZE="3"]If at first you don't succeed (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/390818/eric-holder-wishes-he-could-have-curbed-your-rights-more-effectively-charles-c-w-cooke), try, try again (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/02/16/atf-trying-to-ban-ar15-ammo-under-guise-of-law-enforcement-safety-n1957622).
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BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - cory - 02-17-2015
Well I tried calling my Senators and Rep. I was only to get through to Jeff Session's office and they had not formed a stance on the BATFE's proposal as of yet. It is still a very new proposal, so that response is fair enough for now. I sent the following short and simple email to my Senators and Rep (Sessions, Shelby, and Brooks).
Quote:What is your plan of attack to combat the over reach of the federal government via the BATFE/ violation of the 2nd Amendment that is the BATFE's proposal to ban M855 ammunition?
Outside the fact that this is an over reach of federal power/ violation of the 2nd Amendment, I suspect that it is a precursor to an Executive Order from obama before he leaves office. This will demonstrate to him as to what he can get away with. It is of the utmost importance that a strong front is presented against the BATFE's proposal.
We must demonstrate the utmost resolve against any action to violates the liberties of the individual.
I'll call again next Monday. I won't stop until I get through and get a SITREP from each office on the Plan of Attack going forward to fight this proposal.
Assuming we're successful in pushing back on the BATFE's proposal I intend to push to continue the attack while the BATFE has been weakened. We should, as a group, push to have other projectiles removed from the banned list to include 7N6, Barnes, etc...
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - BjornF16 - 02-17-2015
Variable, when you get a good template, please share here.
Björn
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - biodsl - 02-18-2015
BjornF16 Wrote:Variable, when you get a good template, please share here.
Björn
The Military Arms Channel has a template and address if anyone is interested in contacting ATF. The template for our congressmen and senators would probably be more helpful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaIIChRMBw
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - KentuckyBuddha - 02-18-2015
Not hard to contact Congressional offices either.
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - pds - 02-18-2015
If this is done through executive action there is not much congress can do about it.
pds
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - cory - 02-18-2015
pds Wrote:If this is done through executive action there is not much congress can do about it.
pds
When the Executive branch exceeds the limits of its power, it is the duty of the house to withhold the purse.
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - LRRPF52 - 02-18-2015
Bye bye ATF budget is what needs to happen. I don't see why it isn't talked about more. Move the arson and explosives investigation guys to the FBI, and deregulate the excessive and unnecessary oversight with the centrally controlled, Federal Firearms Licensing system.
The majority of people targeted and convicted by the ATF have been in the Senate's own words:
Quote:"Based upon these hearings it is apparent that ATF enforcement tactics made possible by current federal firearms laws are constitutionally, legally, and practically reprehensible."
Committee on the Judiciary, Subcommittee on the Constitution (February 1982)
They have always been a menace to a free society, and are an enemy to the principles on which the Nation was founded.
I called two of my Representatives today to complain about yet another extrajudical edict from the unelected, unaccountable dirtbags known as the BATFE, who are simply taking orders from Comrade Hussein's minions. Eric Holder has lamented that his biggest failure is not being able to pass any "sensible" gun control.
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - montana - 02-18-2015
There are many acronym agencies that need to disappear. LRRP52 is correct about the ATF which has left murder and mayhem behind their tracks. They have even turned on their own when it suits their political goals. Comrade Hussein and Eric Holders sensible gun control is, "they own the guns and we don't". Makes sense in North Korea and other totalitarian societies. Just look at the low gun related crimes they have compared to ours. Don't ever think our best interest is their goal , evil takes all shapes and forms. When one person wants to subjugate another you have evil. Put a dress on a pig and apply lipstick doesn't change the fact it is still a pig. When any agency of power has no accountability you have evil. Make phone calls and make noise, time for this crap to end.
This was sent to me by a friend. http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2015/02/batfe_moves_to_.php
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - Variable - 02-20-2015
Here is a link to GOA's emailing template on this one.
http://cqrcengage.com/gunowners/app/write-a-letter?4&engagementId=80535&ep=AAAAC2Flc0NpcGhlcjAxDeLAeWkm5rpyS8k259a11n1b79KbB8Q6XLtf2aZnnJdKfx-JStpVsCUlSG4zZ0oxjr2ukgq3-6fpcNRNhBclE2iu3Kpc4S7Nd8GZnNfaeWw&lp=0
I used that one, but I'll probably send something else later too. I'll also make sure to call next week when they actually return to DC.
LRRPF52: Amen! They need their budget obliterated. They should be busted up and gotten rid of entirely.
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - LRRPF52 - 02-20-2015
I'm all for the arson/explosives unit to be turned into a mobile training team, and then distribute the skill sets to the Federal regions working closely with State LE agencies in a more coordination role, with embedded contract civilians to keep oversight (like retired or prior service EOD military personnel who attend the FLETC ATF applicable training).
Alcohol and tobacco? Are those even issues that need to be regulated at a Federal level? We have State alcohol and controlled substances regulatory bodies all over the Nation.
I want FFL inspections gone, FFL licensing gone, and absolutely no Federal tampering with the process by which citizens engage in the keeping and bearing of arms. They already work on a voluntary basis for the practical reality of preventing felons and shady characters from purchasing guns, and that can be maintained at the State level. What was wrong with America before NICS?
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - Adam Lilja - 02-20-2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikyzhv894N0
BATFE to ban common AR15 ammo. - biodsl - 02-20-2015
Adam Lilja Wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikyzhv894N0
Funny and informative. Thanks for sharing, Adam.