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why keep the 5.56 ??? - JoeBama - 05-22-2012
I just received my AA grendel. This may be a stupid question, but why would I keep the 5.56 upper? The 6.5 does the same and more. The cost to feed seems to be about the same. The 5.56 is a little lighter, but I will not be hunting with it. The 6.5 is my deer, pig gun. Recoil is basically the same.
Im sure someone else has come across this issue. I built the 5.56 before I knew anything about the 6.5. To me, if I can get a few $ for the barely used upper, I can upgrade on to the 6.5 ie... scope, stock, trigger, etc.
Just wondering if I am missing something.....
Thanks.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - ttrmike - 05-22-2012
If you don't shoot a lot, getting rid of the 5.56 makes sense.
But since the AR platform is so much fun to shoot, you may be finding yourself in the position to do some high round count range sessions later on. In that case the Grendel is going to cost more. Wolf ammo is cheap, but not as cheap as 5.56. Personally, I would keep both uppers as you will probably find a use for it late on.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - ericv - 05-22-2012
Hmmmm, good thought. I have a real nice 5.56 upper in the rack.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - JoeBama - 05-22-2012
I guess the answer is to shoot the 6.5 for a while and see if I want for anything. Just a thought I wanted to throw out there. As always, its a personal decision.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - Brag - 05-22-2012
I like to train with 5.56, currently Wolf WPA is $220/1000. Some classes burn over 500 rounds in no time. Grendel would be doable, 5.56 is just cheaper for me.
My 2nd reason, I'd rather my daughters shoot 5.56 ammo vs Grendel,lol.
I'd keep it, but we all have different uses for AR-15s.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - feetpiece - 05-23-2012
I've toyed with the same idea since I have two 5.56 AR's. I'm just going to re-barrel one to Grendel and have different stocks/triggers for different applications. You could also argue that with the 5.56 upper you can run a .22 kit for really cheap range sessions and pest control.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - rickOshay - 05-23-2012
I was having the same thought as I wait for my 24" Grendel upper. I have a 6.5 16" for hunting and the 24" will be for paper. I agree with the other posts that the .223 is cheaper to shoot and may be more appropriate for small varmint.
It's an economics question really. Can you afford to have your .223 sitting in the case? Or sell it for another Grendel if cost of plinking is not a concern.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - JoeBama - 05-23-2012
I forgot about the .22 conversion. That is enough right there. Thanks
why keep the 5.56 ??? - Mattw - 05-23-2012
I am actually building my first 5.56 right now and I already own a Grendel. 12 week wait on LAR Grizzly OPS-4 side charging upper though, been 3 weeks so far, just hope it is worth the wait. Reason I am building the 5.56 is the time cost I will be getting rid of. I hand load for the Grendel so money cost is not the issue but time reloading all the rounds I shoot is. I caught Cabela's a few weeks back with a 5.56 bulk sale and picked up 300 rounds of Federal 62Gr for $90. I know I shouldn't buy ammo before I even know what my barrel will like but that is just a starter pack to get me out to the range and blasting away without the thought of spending another couple minutes reloading every time a shell hits the ground. Now, that can easily be shot in a few hours at the range but leaving there knowing I don't have to spend about 10 hours in the reloading room is going to be amazing. 5.56 to make it rain, 6.5 Grendel to bring the pain.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - rickOshay - 05-23-2012
Mattw Wrote:5.56 to make it rain, 6.5 Grendel to bring the pain.
Nice !
why keep the 5.56 ??? - Variable - 05-23-2012
Mattw Wrote:I am actually building my first 5.56 right now and I already own a Grendel. 12 week wait on LAR Grizzly OPS-4 side charging upper though, been 3 weeks so far, just hope it is worth the wait. Reason I am building the 5.56 is the time cost I will be getting rid of. I hand load for the Grendel so money cost is not the issue but time reloading all the rounds I shoot is. I caught Cabela's a few weeks back with a 5.56 bulk sale and picked up 300 rounds of Federal 62Gr for $90. I know I shouldn't buy ammo before I even know what my barrel will like but that is just a starter pack to get me out to the range and blasting away without the thought of spending another couple minutes reloading every time a shell hits the ground. Now, that can easily be shot in a few hours at the range but leaving there knowing I don't have to spend about 10 hours in the reloading room is going to be amazing. 5.56 to make it rain, 6.5 Grendel to bring the pain.Agreed. While I don't have near the cash available that I used to have, time is far shorter. I hate to reload, and only do it when I have to. A case of 5.56 is pretty attractive for blaasting time.
5.56 = bulk training and duty ammo (I wish it was Grendel but I can dream until then.LOL!!!)
6.5 Grendel = I personally intend to kill something, and I really mean it this time.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - mongoosesnipe - 05-23-2012
I will be keeping a 556 around so long as it is the standard NATO cartridge just in case
why keep the 5.56 ??? - Grimmy - 05-23-2012
We have a tactical steel plate range in the mountains average distance to steel is about 90 yards it's a great time shooting there. BUT it's rocky and them brass gremlins steel your brass as soon as it hits the ground. So i'd rather loose 5.56 brass than Grendel brass. I will run the Grendel there at least a few times just wouldn't be right not to.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - JASmith - 05-23-2012
Yeah, keep it!
Use something like Hornady's 75gr BTHP in the .223 and the 120 Ballistic Tip in the Grendel. Sight both in at 200 yards.
Assuming same barrel length, you'll get minute of water bottle for the same sight picture to past 230 yards, minute of deer or hog out to 260 yards. and can use the same holdover for deer-size game out to past 300 yards.
After that, you will definitely want to use laser-range finding and accurate trajectory tables.
So, the .223 would be for plinking and familiarity and the Grendel when you want to knock something over!
why keep the 5.56 ??? - HuXXXford - 05-23-2012
With 5.56 ammo still being much more prevalent in the world than Grendel, when the zombies take over, I'm going to be happy I still have my 5.56 AR-15.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - LRRPF52 - 05-23-2012
5.56 is currently much cheaper to shoot than Grendel, and is more appropriate for the close-range fight/military carbine use. There are many lengthy discussions on this topic in the Military & Law Enforcement Section.
5.56 will continue to be my dominant carbine cartridge, although I could see Grendel displacing it somewhat when the steel case comes online. For rapid strings of close-range fire, the 5.56 will continue to have less recoil impulse. I have tested this with my 16" Grendel using lighter 100gr NBT's, vs. 5.56, and there is a significantly increased felt recoil impulse from the Grendel, although much more controllable than a 7.62 NATO of course.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - Deezil - 05-23-2012
I have lost interest in my 223 and 22-250 stuff since getting the grendel
why keep the 5.56 ??? - LRRPF52 - 05-24-2012
I suppose if I loaded some of the 85gr Sierras, I could get the Grendel to feel more like a 5.56 pushing 77gr maybe. I definitely will be blasting more through my 16" when steel case is available.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - Sgt 45 - 05-24-2012
If the SHTF .223 or 5.56mm will be much more available than Grendel ammo.
why keep the 5.56 ??? - rasp65 - 05-25-2012
Keep it. I always bring both to the range. When one gets hot I switch to the other.