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Best bullet to stop terrorists? - Lemonaid - 10-13-2023

If your home is attacked by terrorists like what happened in Israel, what bullet(s) do you think would be best at stopping them?

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - biodsl - 10-13-2023

I have a basic load of 123 A-max on hand for just such an occasion.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - Zeneffect - 10-13-2023

Ppu 110gr fmj. I have quite a bit on hand and the limited testing ive done shows it will smoke a terry no problem. Barriers? no problem, might as well have x-ray vision. Internals turn to a f*cked up mess? Gel block and pig reports say yes. Fmj is a mean bastard for what it is.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - LRRPF52 - 10-13-2023

The ones you train with making head shots.

Training puts these things into perspective.

Pretty much any bullet you shoot from an AR-15 that is center-fire and bottlenecked will generate pretty extreme destructive effects on the skull. I would also suggest thinking bigger picture about avoiding a lot of likely incident locations.

I’m assuming all the hundreds of Hamas, Hezbollah, and other ME terrorists the Feds and Biden White house have allowed into the Country will be wearing armor if they do any overt terrorist attacks to create mass casualty incidents.

But again, these guys have extremely low IQs due to their genetics and centuries of inbreeding, so they are used for sacrificial/suicide types of attacks as a general rule by foreign agitators, especially Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood.


1. WTC 1993 (FBI knew that was going to happen and allowed it. They had an informant in the Brooklyn Mosque who told them the recent immigrants were planning to take down buildings in NYC. Supervisor ordered the field agents to fire the informant.)

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2. OKC 1995 (ME cell that rented the Rider Truck, built the bomb at a Palestinian immigrant’s auto garage, then parked it in front of Murrah Building in OKC. Clinton WH changed the narrative to target political opponents and curated the investigation only to focus on McVeigh and Nichols. John Doe #2 was ME male who later worked at Boston Logan international on 9/11 for 2 Iraqi bothers who ran a food services business for the airlines.)

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3. The Tzarnaev brothers/Boston bombing in 2013.

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4. The thwarted Draw Mohamed attack of May 2015. FBI "solicited, encouraged, directed and aided members of ISIS in planning and carrying out the May 3 attack”. Evidence submitted to court in previous cases confirm that an FBI undercover agent was in communication with the attackers and present at the Culwell Center during the attack. When the FBI UC agent saw the attack underway, he attempted to flee and was promptly stopped at gunpoint by Garland police.

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Here is a full list of ME terrorist attacks or plots in the US since 1990:

1990 Assassination of Meir Kahane
1993 CIA headquarters shooting
1993 World Trade Center bombing
1994 Brooklyn Bridge shooting
1995 Bojinka plot
1997 Brooklyn bombing plot
2000 millennium attack plots
2001 September 11 attacks
2001 shoe bomb attempt
2002 Los Angeles Airport shooting
2002 José Padilla/Abdullah al-Muhajir's attack plot
2002 Buffalo Six
2004 financial buildings plot
2005 Los Angeles bomb plot
2006 Hudson River bomb plot
2006 Sears Tower plot
2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting
2006 Toledo terror plot
2006 transatlantic aircraft plot
2006 UNC SUV attack
2007 Fort Dix attack plot
2007 John F. Kennedy International Airport attack plot
2009 Failed underwear bomb on Northwest Airlines Flight 253
2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting
2009 Bronx terrorism plot
2009 Dallas Car Bomb Plot by Hosam Maher Husein Smadi[38]
2009 New York City Subway and United Kingdom plot
2009 Fort Hood shooting
2009 Colleen LaRose arrested (not made public until March 2010)
2010 Transatlantic aircraft bomb plot
2010 King Salmon, Alaska local meteorologist and wife assassination plots
2010 Alleged Washington Metro bomb plot
2011 Alleged Saudi Arabian student bomb plots
2011 Manhattan terrorism plot
2011 Lone Wolf New York City, Bayonne, NJ pipe bombs plot.
2012 Car bomb plot in Florida.[39]
2013 Boston Marathon bombing
2013 Wichita bombing attempt
2014 beheading by Alton Nolen
2014 Queens hatchet attack
2014 Seattle, Washington and West Orange, New Jersey killing spree by Ali Muhammad Brown
2015 Boston beheading plot
2015 Curtis Culwell Center attack
2015 Chattanooga shootings
2015 San Bernardino attack
2016 Orlando nightclub shooting
2016 New York and New Jersey bombings
2016 St. Cloud, Minnesota mall stabbing
2016 Ohio State University attack
2017 New York City truck attack
2019 Naval Air Station Pensacola shooting
2022 Stabbing of Salman Rushdie

One thing I would look at is your proximity to an FBI Regional or field office. Your chances of being near or in a ME terrorist attack are exponentially higher if you are within 10 miles of an FBI building, whether it's because Federal agents prefer not to drive far when agitating or provoking their assets to commit acts of terrorism, or that their assets are targeting people in large cities where Fed buildings are anyway. The results are the same for the innocent either way.

Become familiar with the term TSDB, which refers to people on watch lists. Federal Anti-Terrorist Task Forces and agencies use Terrorist Screening Database (TSDB) to track, identify, and are supposed to apprehend these individuals.

The problem is that within the FBI and other agencies, they are told by managers to let people through so when they go to Capitol Hill to beg for more money for their budget, they will have a reason to do so. “You have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.” Field agents are told, “Don’t worry about it. We’re tracking that suspect already. Don’t apprehend, just surveil.” Same thing Phoenix ATF agents were told in Fast & Furious.

Not only have they let them through, but they often are fully aware of their plans and allow them to happen. There are other, far more professional entities that have been tracking these terrorists before they even arrive in the US, and that information is referred to the JTTF.

Look for your proximity to Synagogues, FBI regional offices, stadiums, congested traffic areas, concert venues, and be aware of the surroundings, avenues of ingress and escape, cover, concealment, and alternate routes.

Some of the survivors of that concern in Israel drove out of there like a bat out of hell, running over and side-swiping some of the Hamas savages, securing a carbine from one of the attacked IDF vehicles, and even left some of their friends behind who got separated. Those people are either dead or hostages right now.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - LRRPF52 - 10-13-2023

If you live in a Southern Border State close to the major infiltration routes used by the Coyotes and Cartels, and are in rural areas commonly targeted by them, you are in a similar scenario to the Israelis that live in those stupid kibbutz’s.

You’re basically on your own, but you already know that.

You have to start thunking of your surroundings like we would draw out a range card and sector sketch, taking keen notes of trails, dead space you can’t see, marking ranges to various target reference points, and where you will stage your emergency supplies.

What’s your PACE commo plan (Primary, Alternate, Contingency, Emergency) with any neighbors and Sheriffs.

What’s your shelter-in-place vs emergency evac criteria and have you rehearsed any of it?

What’s your fire plan for arson and do you have fire-fighting equipment?

What’s your med kit situation with IFAKs, medic bags, litters, etc.?

More importantly, what’s your level of physical fitness and mobility?

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - FBOldCrow - 10-13-2023

Anything in my cabinets will work.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - Lemonaid - 10-13-2023

Some awesome posts, Thanks!. Never thought about firefighting gear, very good point.
As a tangent, thought experiment:
In a pretty open area, would you rather be in a average vehicle vs. terrorists with an average handgun or the other way around? (It's you or him, no getting away.)
I was thinking about a real world situation that happened to my nephew where he was attacked by someone in a car. If he had been armed with a handgun, could he have stopped the car before he was killed? Where would you shoot a car to stop it?
My nephew jumped aside, went off road and got away.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - Zeneffect - 10-13-2023

Lemonaid Wrote:Some awesome posts, Thanks!. Never thought about firefighting gear, very good point.
As a tangent, thought experiment:
In a pretty open area, would you rather be in a average vehicle vs. terrorists with an average handgun or the other way around? (It's you or him, no getting away.)
I was thinking about a real world situation that happened to my nephew where he was attacked by someone in a car. If he had been armed with a handgun, could he have stopped the car before he was killed? Where would you shoot a car to stop it?
My nephew jumped aside, went off road and got away.

from personal experience, stopping a car with a m16a2 is hard enough. hand gun has no chance in hell, sorry. best move out of the way, take cover and try to get at them when they arent behind glass and metal. if they dont keep driving, they will have to expose themselves to shoot or come find you. The primary objective is simply to stay alive and get to safety. terries can have this s-hole called california, ill take the high ground elsewhere and stack them if they encroach. if this scenerio of pop up terrorists were to occur in california, it would be easy pickings in a bad bad way. not only is 90% of the population grossly unprepared for the things that are guaranteed (like earthquakes and fire) to happen, they fight tooth and nail to stay perpetual victims disarming themselves.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - Lemonaid - 10-13-2023

Is there a class I could take for that? Offensive driving? Smile

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - Zeneffect - 10-13-2023

Not sure honestly. I haven't been a driver in that situation, I imagine adrenaline, reflexes, and will to live will be more important than spending thousands on a driving school... and most important, a reliable vehicle to gtfo.

A car can run a while without coolant..... hundreds of miles even. Without oil, much different story. Exposed parts you could get to might be the filter/housing area, cooler, pan. Punching a block.... maybe but doubtful on the first 20 or so rounds. Killing the electrical system might be a secondary target. Alternator or belts, battery area. Battery needs electrolyte to hold a charge, holes drain it. Alternator needs lots and is relatively fragile.

Fuel system.... you would need to hit fuel rails or feed line to disable the vehicle which will prove challenging.

I'm about 99.9999% positive there isn't anything you can do to make it go kaboom unless it's already loaded with explosives. Friggin wish I had a rpg, but the reality is they don't even boom as big as you would like.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - LR1955 - 10-13-2023

And you also need a Vulcan battery or two to stop them when they use para gliders to infil over your fence.

No doubt the Biden admin has allowed in here a number of terrorists. The ones who are so inclined to die a martyr will most likely head towards cities with large Jewish populations where the population density allows them a higher probability of murdering or maiming more people than attacking your individual house.

What we need to watch is the internal enemy. Those who are out in the streets openly supporting Hamas.

For home defense, a 12 ga with buckshot is a better bet than a carbine or pistol.

That said, I am probably now being targeted by the FBI as a "Trump MAGA Radical" instead of the 'Squad' or those student groups who are going to try and stir up violence today.

LR-55

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - Zeneffect - 10-13-2023

LR1955 Wrote:That said, I am probably now being targeted by the FBI as a "Trump MAGA Radical" instead of the 'Squad' or those student groups who are going to try and stir up violence today.

LR-55

There is no probably, and it wasnt now. its been going on for a while...

those "protesting" students (idiots) are getting far worse than an fbi watch list. they are blacklisting themselves into the bright and prosperous future of welfare recipient.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - lazyengineer - 10-13-2023

In 5.56: MK318 Mod 1



In 6.5 Grendel. Most anything, probably 123 gr SST/AMAX. I might consider alternating in some Wolf Steel for the FMJ punch through cheap armor; though terminal performance is only so-so. If I knew range would be close and body armor unlikely, 90 TNT's. But since you don't really know that, the 123 gr SST is a good baseline round

JMHO. In truth, almost any rifle caliber round will be fairly devistating from almost any barrel.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - LRRPF52 - 10-13-2023

How many of you have your go-to blasters zeroed?

Looks like the religion of peace claimed the life of a French teacher already today, with 2 others wounded. Knife attack.

Of course, France and England have had repeated incidents with these kinds of attacks from the same suspects, to include beheadings.

They work very hard to suppress any reporting of these incidents though.

When I was in Europe from 2005-2006, the North African Arabs in France rioted because some stupid teenagers hid inside a transformer sub station box after running from the police in a night trespassing incident, and got turned into crispy critters.

Europe has multiple powder keg flashpoints domestically that could all erupt into civil wars at any time.

They aborted their future, then imported murderous savages who don’t work, that believe they are superior to their hosts.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - Zeneffect - 10-13-2023

All of them have a 100 yard zero, with dope cards.

How many people have put in at least 20 hours this month honing skills?

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - LRRPF52 - 10-13-2023

One practical thing everyone can do is run a vulnerability assessment on their physical structures/property and common travel routes.

Think from the perspective of someone trying to do you harm and where and when they would hit you.

I think this will be more practical in terms of countering burglaries, car-jackings, muggings, auto theft, porch pirates, and vandals than anything, since 334 million of us aren’t going to be really armed even if there was some kind of massive wave of terrorist activities across the US.

There are all kinds of door-hardening and window security products and tips you can employ, as well as closed-circuit surveillance not reliant on Jeff Bezos.

Getting to know your neighbors and supporting each other is more powerful than any specific tools and product-based solutions.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - Zeneffect - 10-14-2023

Quote:Getting to know your neighbors and supporting each other is more powerful than any specific tools and product-based solutions.

Knowing my neighbors is the reason I need to gtfo. None have any real world experience dealing with anything worse than a bird took a dump on their car. I don't have the ammo, energy, or motivation to do anything for them in times of need, ill be long gone. The only thing they could contribute is to absorb munitions so there are less aimed at those willing to survive. These are the same kind of people who call their pets "fur babies" and act as if those flea bags have more rights than children.

Then there is the multitude of f*credit up laws. Buy body armor? Some stupid red flag law can get tripped and loss of firearms rights instantly, no due process, no court, nothing. West coast is asking for a take over, the dmz will be the sierras.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - Klem - 10-14-2023

Lemon,

40gn Nosler ballistic Silvertips for high velocity in short barrels, and least likely shoot throughs. The good old 55VMax and 55 Blitzkings are great all-rounders.I've shot through car doors with them and they all penetrate.

Western militaries are restrained by the 1899 Hague convention and modern ratifications (here the ICC has deemed using expanding bullets a 'war crime' - the US is not signatory to the Rome Statute/ICC but you are still careful with the Hague convention. E.g., the M262 designed and called an 'Open tip', being a very small hollow point). Anyway, what the military uses with their restrictions does not concern us. Civilians are not restrained by expanding bullets so that would be my first choice, even if they were wearing body armor, sweat bands and riding paragliders.

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - dammitman - 10-16-2023

an accurately aimed and targeted one,,,,,

Best bullet to stop terrorists? - SDW - 10-21-2023

Like the old saying goes, "Quantity has a quality all its own."

I'm no battle tested ex-warrior, far from it, but I think any bullet that fires out of any kind of AR15 is good enough. Just have LOTS of them at the ready. Of course, this assumes the bad guys are running around in the open, more or less. Once they start hiding behind sturdy walls or vehicles, that might change the equation. Might be Grendel time, vs. just 5.56-anything. Just speculating though.