Popeye212 Wrote:I can hear the 6.8 and Valkrie guys tuning up already...

ricsmall Wrote:Without seeing his velocities and loads I can’t say he was pushing the limits, but most of us do. I was pushing it in my .224 Grendel but it’s shelved for now, and for sale BTW!! If you push the pressure limits in these guns, especially if gas and recoil system isn’t tuned, broken bolts are bound to occur. Like shooting a bunch of high pressure 5.56 ammo in a .223 chamber. Somethings gotta give.

A5BLASTER Wrote:He says 28.5 grains of target under a 105 something didn't really pay attention to what bullet he said it was.

He hasn't replied back to the post yet. So it could just be a troll trying to start mess. Seems how that site is.

LR1955 Wrote:A5B:

That is at the high end of the load data but is not an overload.

LR55

Popeye212 Wrote:28.5 grains target Flag under a 105 something Flag :confused: and didn't really pay attention to what bullet it was Flag . Smell test Fail. Has a faint aroma of Tuna though

grayfox Wrote:I just googled and found several 6mm 105's: Barnes, Berger, Nosler, Lapua, or Hornady 105's.

A5BLASTER Wrote:I said I didn't really pay attention to all the load details. I didn't say he didn't pay attention.

And I fat fingered my other post it is varget not target.

I just thought I would bring it to the horde's attention so they could know where the more then likely to come parade of broken bolt dangerous chamber post that seem to grow around post like these.

He did post that this bolt is the upper' s second bolt to break and that the upper is used he bought off the original owner.

The bolt he just broke is a JP bolt. A member of barfcom said his load is probably around 63k and the the load that the first owner was running that broke the first bolt was around 75k according too quickload.

Popeye212 Wrote:My bad I thought you were quoting HIM

LRRPF52 Wrote:....
Maybe drop in the Franklin Armory Binary trigger and stack pallets of Wolf steel case, but for what?

lazyengineer Wrote:For the Best TIME EVVAAAHHH!!!

LRRPF52 Wrote:It's getting to the point that I've been thinking about how I can increase my shoot schedule to purpsoely try to break bolts just to see where it will happen.

I've lost count of how many different Grendel AR15s I've been shooting over the years now, with everything from RLGS 24", 22", and 20", to 18" MLGS x many, 16" MLGS, and now 12" CLGS suppressed.

12" CLGS suppressed should be the hardest on the bolt since the gas system is so much closer to the chamber, resulting in much higher port pressures.

Maybe drop in the Franklin Armory Binary trigger and stack pallets of Wolf steel case, but for what?

LRRPF52 Wrote:. . . to purpsoely try to break bolts just to see where it will happen. . . .

Great idea ! But, let's go the route:

"We shoehorned a bigger cartridge into the gun. . . . Now, impose a Grendel geometry, and you are right at the tipping point." --- Bill Alexander < https://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?7287-why-would-bolt-break&p=75339&viewfull=1#post75339 >


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< https://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/rifles/cmmg-mkw-anvil-rifle-6-5-grendel/ >

Let's challenge both designs:

Using the same barrel length, gas system setup and identical known hot loads, let's test a 6.5mm Grendel-chambered AR-15 against a 6.5mm Grendel-chambered CMMG Anvil: Increase the loads (noting respective velocity increases) with the express purpose of determining the breaking point of the Bolt lugs of the weaker design. Then, continue with the rifle that survived that test, to see how much increased velocity could be obtained. If some 200 fps additional velocity is possible, I think it would be fair to state that we'd opened-up a whole new ball game for an auto-loading 6.5mm Grendel --- the little cartridge that could.