Another reason to thank President Trump

[41bear]

It appears that this may end up headed to the Supreme Court.

http://www.theconservativedispatch.com/2020/11/25/third-circuit-decision-on-2nd-amendment-perfectly-tailored-for-supreme-court-after-barrett-confirmation/

[TomSawyerNW]

Admittedly, I just skimmed through the article, but does this mean if I lie on my tax returns, I also lose my right to free speech, etc.? Seems everything is focused on our losing our 2nd amendment rights.

[grayfox]

Especially since several states are now re-granting felons the right to vote, which in the discussion is a so-called civic right. So now, if even civic rights can be restored after a felony, then EVEN IF 2A is supposedly a civic right (presumably a lower level right than an individual, which Heller does state that it is an individually conferred right to protect ones self), continued rejection of a civic right is now collapsing. So the 3d circuit ruling is further weakened even from its primary reasoning.
Not only this, we should project the 3d ckt reasoning, to a convicted felon loses free speech, loses right to petition his government, right to be secure from unreasonable searches/seizures, right to Not be discriminated against, right to freedom of religion, right to not incriminate himself, and stripped of the right to not be placed twice in jeopardy for life/limb for the same offense.
The 3d ckt reasoning basically says that a so-called "felony" (even if non-violent) basically strips a person of ALL rights forever.
Only those ("felons") that kow-tow to them or serve their purposes, would get any right(s) back. "Rights" after all, they reason, are granted by the government (THEM). Not secured by an ancient piece of paper (let alone granted by God Himself).
What a crock.
And the Libs would certainly love this since they would craft laws to target first, conservatives, and ultimately, anyone who disagrees with them. Just listen to their political campaign promises.
To disagree with a Lib policy would be a felony.
Goodbye protected rights; Hello, dictatorship by the Libs over all.

[TexHill]

Especially since several states are now re-granting felons the right to vote, which in the discussion is a so-called civic right. So now, if even civic rights can be restored after a felony, then EVEN IF 2A is supposedly a civic right (presumably a lower level right than an individual, which Heller does state that it is an individually conferred right to protect ones self), continued rejection of a civic right is now collapsing. So the 3d circuit ruling is further weakened even from its primary reasoning.
Not only this, we should project the 3d ckt reasoning, to a convicted felon loses free speech, loses right to petition his government, right to be secure from unreasonable searches/seizures, right to Not be discriminated against, right to freedom of religion, right to not incriminate himself, and stripped of the right to not be placed twice in jeopardy for life/limb for the same offense.
The 3d ckt reasoning basically says that a so-called "felony" (even if non-violent) basically strips a person of ALL rights forever.
Only those ("felons") that kow-tow to them or serve their purposes, would get any right(s) back. "Rights" after all, they reason, are granted by the government (THEM). Not secured by an ancient piece of paper (let alone granted by God Himself).
What a crock.
And the Libs would certainly love this since they would craft laws to target first, conservatives, and ultimately, anyone who disagrees with them. Just listen to their political campaign promises.
To disagree with a Lib policy would be a felony.
Goodbye protected rights; Hello, dictatorship by the Libs over all.

Some states allowfelons to own a firearm for defense of their home and for hunting on their own property. For instance, Texas law allows a felon to own a gun if it's been at least five years since the completion of their sentence. The problem is that federal law says that a felon may never own a gun. Frankly, I think that if a person has done their time and has shown themselves to be a benefit to society then their rights should be restored.

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/local/verify/verify-can-a-felon-legally-have-a-gun-in-texas/491829268

[Growler]

Some states allowfelons to own a firearm for defense of their home and for hunting on their own property. For instance, Texas law allows a felon to own a gun if it's been at least five years since the completion of their sentence. The problem is that federal law says that a felon may never own a gun. Frankly, I think that if a person has done their time and has shown themselves to be a benefit to society then their rights should be restored.

Agreed.

[Growler]

From the above mentioned article...

conferred by government, they can be taken away by government. That is not what was intended by the founders, and no Originalist studied in history would reach that conclusion. We need to be informed and vocal on calling out this distinction. It is vital.

[LRRPF52]

[Mhan7]

With all due respect - I will NEVER thank a politician, for anything. Trump may have run on the ticket, and therefore had an obligation to tow the party line -- but thanking politicians is something that no thinking man EVER does. NEVER EVER.

Trump was as big a clown as Biden. It's just that he was the clown on our particular side of the issues. But I think we give waaaaaay too much credit to this imbecilic narcissist. I met him long before he became president, and there is literally not a single person in this room that would have ever seen his presidency on a republican ticket coming. I'm still floored by it. If you really think that this man - or any politician - has your back, represents your interests, etc, etc, then God help us all.

As vehemently opposed as I am to the notion of lobbying, it's really the only thing saving our bacon on the 2A issue.

The idea that I have to grovel or be obsequious, to someone that pays to play the game, as opposed to being a watchman for our liberties, is absolutely revolting. We ought to know better.

[LRRPF52]

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[Mhan7]

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to recuse myself from engaging this. There is simply no competing with that level of fanboy-ism. And to be perfectly honest... I'm not in the business of trying to change people's minds.

If you want to believe that a businessman, with a vested interest in holding high office, is your standard-bearer, and a hero to the people, then I accept this.

Carry on...

[Double Naught Spy]

Frankly, I think that if a person has done their time and has shown themselves to be a benefit to society then their rights should be restored.

Well, that isn't vague and would never be subjectively interpreted. "Benefit to society?" In what manner? For how long? I know plenty of folks who aren't felons, but at the same time would be folks that I certainly would not consider to be a benefit to society. I have known some people who were benefiting society at the same time as being felons. Hmmmm.

Either you go with the folks have done their time and get their rights restored or they don't. "Benefit to society" is way too subjective.

[Mhan7]

Well, that isn't vague and would never be subjectively interpreted. "Benefit to society?" In what manner? For how long? I know plenty of folks who aren't felons, but at the same time would be folks that I certainly would not consider to be a benefit to society. I have known some people who were benefiting society at the same time as being felons. Hmmmm.

Either you go with the folks have done their time and get their rights restored or they don't. "Benefit to society" is way too subjective.

I don't think that rational arguments are going to go very far in this area of the forum. This is the "fervor" section.

[montana]

UN building on left, Trump Tower on right:How Senators avoid Insider Trading Laws

Excellent synopsis once again. Was President Trump perfect?? No. Considering the alternative, "there was no other choice" if one believes in self determination and the original intent of the Constitution. He has certainly shaken up the the deep state with their desperate 24-7 lies, false accusations, false reason to impeach, etc. There is a growing communist movement in this nation, that is doing everything possible to destroy the very fabric of what this nation was founded on. You will understand the corporate motive for supporting this movement.. If people think capitalism is bad or the corporate world supports the Constitution, then please watch the historian TIK..You will understand where the concept of the individual vs the collective came from and the purpose of attacking Christianity..I will post this video one last time. There is a reason the corporate world wants socialism and the destruction of individual rights and the free market.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksAqr4lLA_Y

[Mhan7]

You will understand where the concept of the individual vs the collective came from and the purpose of attacking Christianity..I will post this video one last time. There is a reason the corporate world wants socialism and the destruction of individual rights and the free market.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksAqr4lLA_Y

I hate Christianity, but I have no desire to destroy Capitalism, or the Collective. It's a convenient story, because it catches a whole lot of people, and helps package the "culture war" narrative. For the record, there is a culture war. But I don't think that it's very well understood by the vocal majority of the proponents of all things that are purportedly under attack. For my part, I can't stand the Puritan notions that we've been burdened with for 300 years. I love sex and have no hang ups about nudity. Unashamed. I don't have any problem with people who practice Christianity - so long as they don't get carried away on that whole notion of the US being a "Chrsitian Nation." It's not, and never was. It was a prevailing cultural trait, to be sure. But it was not built into our government. Just like it was never coded into our Constitution that blacks or women could not vote. These are inferences that are drawn by interested parties, and have had to be corrected over time, and with much suffering.

The second part is just ridiculous. Rushing to the defense of the Capitalist in Chief, while suggesting that corporate America is fomenting a fascist mutiny. It just doesn't make sense. Modern capitalism works best, when the "shareholder" and their venture Capitalist slaves, can use up resources and labor, leverage the collective power of the consumer/worker, and spit them out, when a cheaper, and more able bodied work force becomes available. Capitalism is absolutely fantastic, when tempered with responsible benevolence, and absolutely terrible when oppressive, when it's overtaken by those who place short term gain, over long term sustainability, and the health of a nation. If you haven't known what it's like to lose a pension, be laid off after double digit years of service, or see an employee owned company divested and IPO'ed by an "investment group", then please don't bother to respond. I will assure at that point, that you have no clue what you're talking about.

You have really got to start getting out more. These theories work well from a rural-centric world view. But when you actually understand how the world works from both points of view, it really sounds dumb. I grew up on a farm, and worked my way through higher education. I have, in all probability, seen more of the world than about 90% of the non-military members who participate in this forum. I did it all on my own dime. These things that you are saying right now, remind me of the people that I left behind, who have never been more than about 200 miles from where they were born.

[montana]

I hate Christianity, but I have no desire to destroy Capitalism, or the Collective. It's a convenient story, because it catches a whole lot of people, and helps package the "culture war" narrative. For the record, there is a culture war. But I don't think that it's very well understood by the vocal majority of the proponents of all things that are purportedly under attack. For my part, I can't stand the Puritan notions that we've been burdened with for 300 years. I love sex and have no hang ups about nudity. Unashamed. I don't have any problem with people who practice Christianity - so long as they don't get carried away on that whole notion of the US being a "Chrsitian Nation." It's not, and never was. It was a prevailing cultural trait, to be sure. But it was not built into our government. Just like it was never coded into our Constitution that blacks or women could not vote. These are inferences that are drawn by interested parties, and have had to be corrected over time, and with much suffering.

The second part is just ridiculous. Rushing to the defense of the Capitalist in Chief, while suggesting that corporate America is fomenting a fascist mutiny. It just doesn't make sense. Modern capitalism works best, when the "shareholder" and their venture Capitalist slaves, can use up resources and labor, leverage the collective power of the consumer/worker, and spit them out, when a cheaper, and more able bodied work force becomes available. Capitalism is absolutely fantastic, when tempered with responsible benevolence, and absolutely terrible when oppressive, when it's overtaken by those who place short term gain, over long term sustainability, and the health of a nation. If you haven't known what it's like to lose a pension, be laid off after double digit years of service, or see an employee owned company divested and IPO'ed by an "investment group", then please don't bother to respond. I will assure at that point, that you have no clue what you're talking about.

You have really got to start getting out more. These theories work well from a rural-centric world view. But when you actually understand how the world works from both points of view, it really sounds dumb. I grew up on a farm, and worked my way through higher education. I have, in all probability, seen more of the world than about 90% of the non-military members who participate in this forum. I did it all on my own dime. These things that you are saying right now, remind me of the people that I left behind, who have never been more than about 200 miles from where they were born.

For you to assume you know what I have done and experienced in my life, "to justify your opinion" is quite telling. Good day sir!