Safety heads-up (not Grendel)

[LRRPF52]

"I shot myself in the leg and now it’s gone."

[LRRPF52]

The guy had a Glock with an after-market pocket clip and after-market trigger, removed the Glock from his pants, dropped it back into his pocket, when it fired and sent a .45 cal hollow point into his right medial calf. Doctors kept removing dead muscle tissue until nothing was left to save.

It really sends home the rule that you need a good holster.

[Klem]

Sobering footage but as I don't know this person, no sympathy.

A gun holstered in Action (round up the spout) but without the trigger covered, is an accident waiting to happen.

[LRRPF52]

The main thing that sticks out to me is that after-market trigger. How light is it?

Light enough that when it was dropped back into his pocket, it was easily-activated, regardless of what it hit.

Better to learn from other people’s experiences than yourself.

[montana]

The Timney Glock trigger is one of the best triggers I have used for competition and I would never use it for any self defense use. The factory Glock trigger is what I use in all of my carry Glocks.
The other moral of this story is the tendency of people getting too comfortable with firearms. I have seen this occur over and over with experienced shooters. I purposely focus on safety before picking up any firearm. Holstering can be one of the most dangerous steps when handling a firearm, especially with a Glock.

[LR1955]

Carry a revolver. Factory loads, not hand loads. Carry the revolver as is, out of the box. No trigger jobs or after market sights.

I have several 1911's and when carrying, Condition 1. Always made me nervous despite the two safeties so went back to a revolver.

After market triggers and pistols are not a particularly good combination unless the trigger was installed by someone knowing their business.

LR-55

[Old Bob]

Carry a revolver. Factory loads, not hand loads. Carry the revolver as is, out of the box. No trigger jobs or after market sights.

I have several 1911's and when carrying, Condition 1. Always made me nervous despite the two safeties so went back to a revolver.

After market triggers and pistols are not a particularly good combination unless the trigger was installed by someone knowing their business.

LR-55

Me Too! S&W Model 19 ...

[Klem]

The main thing that sticks out to me is that after-market trigger. How light is it?

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Hard to say but that blue safety might be a Wilson Combat 945 aluminum trigger for Gen 5 Glocks. If that's the case then it's the normal 6.5lb weight - so not reduced.

Even if he had a lighter trigger like a Ghost or Zev they are still pretty heavy compared with other auto handguns. Trigger weight is not really the issue here. If he wants to carry the gun in a pocket or bag then either:
1. Use a Kydex holster, to be pulled off when it comes out, or
2. Don't have a round in the spout. Action the slide when it comes out.

Covering the trigger adds no bulk to the gun
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I'm with Montana on this. Many handgun accidents occur on holstering and drawing. I remember news of an IPSC guy shooting himself in the foot at a civilian range over here.

On holstering we teach the guys to slow down and look down at the holster if they need to.

[LR1955]

Me Too! S&W Model 19 ...

586 L Comp.

[LR1955]

Hard to say but that blue safety might be a Wilson Combat 945 aluminum trigger for Gen 5 Glocks. If that's the case then it's the normal 6.5lb weight - so not reduced.

Even if he had a lighter trigger like a Ghost or Zev they are still pretty heavy compared with other auto handguns. Trigger weight is not really the issue here. If he wants to carry the gun in a pocket or bag then either:
1. Use a Kydex holster, to be pulled off when it comes out, or
2. Don't have a round in the spout. Action the slide when it comes out.

Covering the trigger adds no bulk to the gun
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I'm with Montana on this. Many handgun accidents occur on holstering and drawing. I remember news of an IPSC guy shooting himself in the foot at a civilian range over here.

On holstering we teach the guys to slow down and look down at the holster if they need to.

Klem:

Pull the holster off the pistol (if carried in the pocket) and rack the slide before being able to shoot when in a life threatening situation?

LR55

[biodsl]

Kusiak makes light, svelte, leather clip holsters that are the antidote for those tempted to pocket carry. Two ounces. It's like the gun is wearing nothing at all.

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[Klem]

Klem:

Pull the holster off the pistol (if carried in the pocket) and rack the slide before being able to shoot when in a life threatening situation?

LR55

I hear you...Better off using a holster attached to the body, or have the trigger cover attached to the kit you're using to conceal. Plenty of carry-kit that covers the trigger.
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But carrying loose in a pocket with a round chambered in a life threatening situation, is life threatening..

[LRRPF52]

There was a video not long ago during an LE-focused training class where the instructors had everyone on the line make their pistols clear, verified clear, then holster them.

They went down the line and were able to easily get a finger inside and pull the triggers on at least 80% of the holster/pistol combos.

It was a wake-up call for everyone just for a contact/grappling scenario that LEOs commonly encounter, but equally-applicable to the armed citizen.

I used to use a fanny pack back in the 2000s for either a back-up gun or primary, depending on what I was doing.

I’ve since made several different solutions for AIWB.

I use a hybrid belly band/covert gun belt system I designed from scratch that holds my hardened RF wallet (Made in USA, the import ones are garbage), pistol, can hold up to 4x spare mags, mini Streamlight, mini boo-boo kit, zip ties, 550 cord, fire-starter, aviator’s signal panel, and other items.

It’s very comfortable, and I work out of it exclusively when doing my pistol range work for draw from concealment and shoot drills, rather than having a dedicated range-only belt with large frame gun.

It’s convenient because it has all my daily CCW and common-use items, besides my phone, keys, and folding knife, which all go in the pants.

One thing that I think is good to do is say to yourself as you don your pistol is, “I’m carrying a loaded firearm now.”, just to remind yourself of the responsibility and potential consequences.

I envision worst-case events with NDs, loss of life, as well as worst-case attacks and how to detect them with heightened SA. It’s a double-edged sword that requires a higher standard of awareness and responsibility to safely carry.

In courses, I emphasize looking at the holster to ensure there aren’t any snag hazards before carefully re-holstering. There have been a lot of LEOs who ND’d due to draw strings, shock cords, shirt tails, and other hazards that were present in the holster orifice, resulting in discharge into their legs, hips, ankles, or groin.

No need to rush back into the holster. Complacency is very much the enemy when working around firearms, especially pistols.

[biodsl]

In courses, I emphasize looking at the holster to ensure there aren’t any snag hazards before carefully re-holstering. There have been a lot of LEOs who ND’d due to draw strings, shock cords, shirt tails, and other hazards that were present in the holster orifice, resulting in discharge into their legs, hips, ankles, or groin.

In Oregon, this is how LEOs were trained. Never take your eyes off the threat, re-holster by muscle memory. I could see both sides of this argument. My favorite Thomas Sowell saying; "There are no solutions, only trade-offs."

[Klem]

In Oregon, this is how LEOs were trained. Never take your eyes off the threat, re-holster by muscle memory. I could see both sides of this argument. My favorite Thomas Sowell saying; "There are no solutions, only trade-offs."

Reholstering implies the threat has resolved, otherwise it stays out.