I have a Rem Mod 7, should I go 6.5 Grendel or 6.5 Creedmoore?

[TacBlade]

This would be a Coyote gun. I need to decide on the Grendel or Creedmoore? Please give me your thoughts? Thanks!

[jluck]

The Grendel is a great round when a mag limits your COAL, If you have the room to load a creed, I'd build the Creed (or 260 AI), Why spend all that money building a rifle to sell yourself short?

[JASmith]

You can probably answer the question yourself by running a good ballistic calculator. Ans. The Creedmoor will always outrange the Grendel.

The Grendel will always have less recoil even when the Creedmoor is loaded down to Grendel velocities.

The coyote won't know the difference inside 225 yards. Past that you'll probably lase the 'yote and the difference in drop between the two is erased.

That leaves wind drift. The Creedmoor will reduce your wind drift by about 8% at 600 yards. The difference in a 10 mph wind for the 123gr AMAX is 0.4 moa. That is smaller than the group size for most of us, especially in variable winds.

Beyond that, which cartridge catches your fancy best?

[65Whelen]

How far do want to push the 6.5 bullet and is recoil an issue? If you want low recoil Grendel would be the choice but if you want to reach out there, Creedmore is a better.

As much as I love the Grendel, for a bolt gun, Creedmore.

[Klem]

Grendel is optimized for the AR15 receiver with its fixed magazine length (OAL).

If your Mod7 receiver is a short-action then you are not limited like the Grendel to the AR15. You can have all sorts;
22/250
243 WIN
260 REM
6.5*47
6.5 Creedmore
270WSM
7mm-08
300WSM
308 WIN
338 Federal

Even 6*284 and 6.5*284 is possible in a short-action with some loading/unloading issues to overcome.

The Creedmore typically uses 40% more powder than a Grendel for the same weight projectile (40gr vs. 28gr).

In the 6.5/.264" caliber, unless recoil and powder costs are bigger issues than range, trajectory and terminal effect then I would not be limiting myself to the Grendel in a bolt gun. There are three popular 6.5mm cartridges that you see used at the Sporting Rifle Matches. They are pretty close to each other in case capacity, recoil and ballistics;

• the 260Rem
• the 6.5 Creedmore.
• and 6.5*47

I have a 6.5*47 in a Rem 700 short-action, using 24" barrels. If I had my time over I might go Creedmore but only for the extra grain or two of powder, nothing else.

All three calibres are faster, further and flatter than a Grendel. The 6.5*47 uses small rifle primers. The 260Rem and Creedmore use large rifle primers. Recoil for all three is between 308 and 223 at about the 2/3 mark, so closer to 308. Brass and ammo is probably cheaper/available over your way for 260Rem but you would know.

Quick comparison between Grendel and Creedmore;

http://www.nosler.com/nosler-load-data/65-creedmoor/

http://www.nosler.com/nosler-load-data/65-grendel/

[Wheelhorse]

I have a factory built Model 7 in 260 Rem. It's the one rifle I own that will do anything I need done and is very easy on the shoulder.
The 260 is the caliber I would use. Unlike the Creedmore, Lapua makes 260 brass, which is a good thing for the reloader.
I personally wouldn't consider the Grendel on any platform that could use a longer cartridge such as the 260.
The Grendel however, does allow one to assemble a bada$$ AR15!

[Drifter]

For that application, I'd probably go with something like a 243 (or 6mm Creedmoor, etc) shooting a 105gr Amax. With a .5 G1 BC at 3000 fps (dependent upon barrel length), it should be bad medicine for coyotes.

ETA- Choose barrel twist wisely if planning to shoot 6mm heavies.

[TacBlade]

I just wanted a 6.5 of some sort, it's currently Chambered in .243 (factory barrel). I have a HS Precision stock on it and had the bolt fluted and a Tactical bolt knob installed. Mostly cosmetic? I'm leaning towards the Creedmoore and having the action gone through.

[TacBlade]

I hear ya!!! I have been waffling back and forth over the recoil factor, as this is going to be one of my Coyote guns and my boys deer rifle. Maybe the Grendel is the best choice for my 2 intended purposes?

[am4966]

Grendel especially if it's for your son too. Load some 100gr bullets and you'll get more speed��

[jluck]

You are seriously concerned about the recoil from a Creedmore? Trust me you kid can handle it. What happened to the good old days where you tossed a kid some random rifle and had him learn to shoot it and harvest with it. My oldest boy is tiny and he took to a 308 no problem, My youngest is a bit more solid and he shoots a 7mm-08 great. The youngest loves shooting my 7 mag too.

If your going to spend the money on a custom barrel, Get the most out of it. If you really need a pussycat put a break on it.

[JASmith]

I hear ya!!! I have been waffling back and forth over the recoil factor, as this is going to be one of my Coyote guns and my boys deer rifle. Maybe the Grendel is the best choice for my 2 intended purposes?

You betcha!

How else can one get a rifle that recoils like the .243 Win but can harvest game from squirrels to elk just fine!

Take a good look at the hunting discussions in Volume 2 of the 6.5 Grendel Reloading Handbookand you will see that the Grendel might well be your son's go to cartridge when he celebrates his 80th birthday provided you aren't still using it!

[Rugerfan.64]

I started my oldest daughter out with a 260 pushing 120 gn Sierra bullets around 2500. She didn't have a problem with it. Now shes grown she is pushing that same bullet to around 2900-2950. I was managing recoil before Remington. 260, 6.5 Creed, either one will be fine.

[WillD]

+1 for a Model 7 in .260 Rem. I've had mine since 1997 and IMHO it's hard to beat. Deer season ends Monday so it's of to the Guadalupe to end some hogs and maybe another deer!

-Will-

[Sniper338]

I run a full blown custom 260. Ive done all the research... it comes down to the 260, 47 lapua, and creedmore... if you are a avid reloader you would probably choose the 260 or 47 lapua because there is better brass avalibility. Best brass for a creedmore last time i searched was only hornady brass. In most cercumstances with 140gr bullets across these three calibers the 260 barley out performs them. Im my case with a 28 inch barrel on my 260 i out perform a creedmoore and 47 lapua and am more on terms with 6.5x284 ballistics.

They are all prooven. They are all good... the 47 lapua has more inhearented accuracy due to the case design, but they can all perform amazing with the right loads...

for a coyote gun i personally wouldnt go over 6mm. But it is hard to beat 6.5s and im a 6.5 sucker...

i may be an odd ball, but id opt for the 6.5x47 lapua for this situation. Its prooven itself in 1000 yard benchrest for distance and accuracy, component availibility is there in quality, less powder for the same performance = cheaper to load for.


Matter of fact im having one built right now in an XP100 to run 120gr or 130 gr pills