350 Legend

[stumpjumper3d]

I don`t think I`ve seen anyone ask this question? How long do you think it will take Legacy to put the 350 Legend in the mini ? I figure at least 2 years.

[Mitdr774]

Given the number of rifles already on the market, I wouldn't count on it.

It's not a bad round, but they missed the mark by about 0.003" in bullet diameter.

[A5BLASTER]

Given the number of rifles already on the market, I wouldn't count on it.

It's not a bad round, but they missed the mark by about 0.003" in bullet diameter.

And they used the wrong case. Would have been so much better if they would have necked up a grendel case.

[mdram]

And they used the wrong case. Would have been so much better if they would have necked up a grendel case.

well then, let the .358 grendel be created
or .40, or 10mm, or whatever its called

[A5BLASTER]

well then, let the .358 grendel be created
or .40, or 10mm, or whatever its called

Think somebody already made it lol. I'm planning on doing a TC in 358 grendel just haven't got around to finishing it.

[Mitdr774]

The .350 Legend was created for states that require a straight walled cartridge for deer hunting. In places like Michigan you are allowed to use a straight walled cartridge with a case length between 1.160" and 1.800" and a minimum of .35 caliber if you are hunting in the "shotgun zone". If I am not mistaken, if you use a Grendel basic case it would be about a .40 caliber. The issue here is bullet options.

The intention of the rule was to allow some handgun cartridges for use in the shotgun zone, as this would still keep potential range of a stray bullet down. Since the rules didnt call out specific cartridges and instead listed dimensions it left things open to more than intended. I can not use a .45-70 in lower Michigan, but I can use a .458x1.8 that will drive the same weight bullet to the same velocity as hand loads for a lever gun.

I looked into using 6.5 Grendel basic brass, but it leaves me with a shorter cartridge than I would like and the bullet options were less than ideal.

[JSH]

I keep seeing mixed input on bore size and bullet on the 350.
I think it has some merit and use myself. I will let them air out exactly what is before I delve into one.
Drive one of the 125?s hard would give a lot of splat factor for varmints.

[ricsmall]

The .358 yeti is the Grendel version I believe. I think the 350 legend would be a superb little cartridge for closer range, 100 yd, shots. Haven’t checked for compatibility, but the Hornady leverevolution bullets would be a good fit I would imagine.

[dpete]

A 358 Yeti is a cut down then necked down .308 case similar to what can be done to a .223 case to make 300 Blackout. The Yeti round is short enough to function in a single stack in an AR15 magazine and uses a .308 sized bolt face in an AR15 sized bolt and carrier. More info. https://www.maddogweapons.com/358-yeti.html

[Mitdr774]

.350 Legend uses a .355" diameter bullet. SAAMI spec has the same bore and groove diameters as .357 Magnum but the throat has different dimensions. Very few factory chambers seem able to accept a .357" bullet, which is the SAAMI max allowed diameter bullet. Much of the confusion comes from Winchester who proclaimed it as a .357 diameter bullet and then proceeded to load all their factory ammunition with .3545-.3555" bullets.

My rifle seem to to dislike most of the factory ammunition options out there, but does seem to prefer my loads with Speer 180gr Hot-Cor .358 bullets resized to .356". I have only played with IMR 4227 to any real extent so far and with my two best grouping loads (different seating depts) I am pushing the 180gr to an average of 2126 fps (short) and 2196 fps (long) while keeping groups under an inch. Next year I plan on seeing what I can do with Lil'Gun as some load data is starting to become available and i might be able to use it as a guide along with Quick Load. I do know the data listed by Hodgdon for the Hornady 170gr is not a good idea in my gun.

The way I see it the .350 Legend has potential to push 180gr bullets to almost the same velocities as .35 Remington. It should make a decent 200 yard and under deer rifle. Where I nap in the woods I cam just about count on all potential shots being under 75 yards though.

The major downfall of the .350 is that it does not use standard .35 caliber rifle bullets. It was designed to use 9mm bullets and there are very few options that will work at rifle velocities. I will be building a .358x.171 using .223 basic brass. If it turns out that I have extraction issues due to a lack of case taper the chamber will be recut to become a .358-350 Legend.

[ricsmall]

A 358 Yeti is a cut down then necked down .308 case similar to what can be done to a .223 case to make 300 Blackout. The Yeti round is short enough to function in a single stack in an AR15 magazine and uses a .308 sized bolt face in an AR15 sized bolt and carrier. More info. https://www.maddogweapons.com/358-yeti.html

Thanks for correcting me. Sorry for the misinformation folks. There is/was a grendel version with a catchy name but I can’t remember it to save my life. I guess the 9mm x 39 will have to work for now.

[1075 tech]

A while back, I posted about a wildcat that a guy near me was loading. 35 Gunner is what he called it. Takes a standard 9mm/357 bullet in a necked up 6.5 Grendel case.

[Mitdr774]

That will suffer the same issue as the .350 Legend. With the exception of the current crop of .355 rifle bullets that are starting to trickle out, there are no suitable bullets in the .355-.357 range for the velocities these rounds should be capable of. Even some of the .355 rifle bullets coming out are getting mixed reviews on how they hold up at rifle velocities.

Assuming it will hold together, a 110 XTP sized down to .356 should make one heck of a close range varmint option. I have not tried any yet, but from what I recall my Quick Load calculations had me around 2800 FPS in a .350 Legend case.

[Chev2500]

That will suffer the same issue as the .350 Legend. With the exception of the current crop of .355 rifle bullets that are starting to trickle out, there are no suitable bullets in the .355-.357 range for the velocities these rounds should be capable of. Even some of the .355 rifle bullets coming out are getting mixed reviews on how they hold up at rifle velocities.

Assuming it will hold together, a 110 XTP sized down to .356 should make one heck of a close range varmint option. I have not tried any yet, but from what I recall my Quick Load calculations had me around 2800 FPS in a .350 Legend case.

Hawk makes 200 & 250 grain bullets in .353,.354, & .356.
They will also make custom bullets you choose dia.,jacket thickness, & weight

[Mitdr774]

Sorry, I forgot to consider small manufactures that most people dont know about. I cant go to the store and buy Hawk or Fury bullets, but I can buy Speer, Hornady, Sierra, Barnes, Winchester, ect.

I feel that about 180gr is the usable upper limit for this cartridge. I have loaded some 200gr .358s resized to .356 and velocity was falling off quick compared to the 180gr loads. I dont see a 250gr getting much over about 1700 FPS if you stay within SAAMI limitations for pressure, and that might be pushing things quite a bit.