Lilja barrels out of spec ?

[PigOPs]

They have a .295" neck with a long freebore, parallel throat.

In other words: .264 lbc. I wish we could get all of this crap behind us. I have too much money invested in the grendel platform to always have to question whether or not a part is what I'm expecting.

[olde sarge]

LRRPF52, thank you for your reply and the replies of all others. I didn't want to start trouble, just wanted to know the facts so I could purchase a barrel knowing the facts. I will ask for certification as you suggest and hope they will do it. Being new to AR type actions I have found all of this very confusing and a little overwhelming and am grateful to all that have answered my questions. I have read all I can find for the last week and there is so much on the web I am sure I have missed half of it. Thanks to you all I feel I can make pretty well informed purchases. John

[D.Davis]

I have had three kinds of trouble with mine. The last one, loading but not firing the round has me worried the most. The ones that do not fire( about 8 out of 25) I have to mortar out. Dave.

[LRRPF52]

In other words: .264 lbc. I wish we could get all of this crap behind us. I have too much money invested in the grendel platform to always have to question whether or not a part is what I'm expecting.

I believe that to be the intent of the reamer maker: deviate from the standard as much as possible, then offer their "solution", which is a total abortion. Notice how they are bragging about cheating and tricking people into thinking they are sending them the SAAMI reamer, then going on forums and boasting how customers aren't getting what they asked for, then saying their crappy chamber design will out-shoot the SAAMI chamber.

I'll post some groups up of the difference between total abortion chamber, and SAAMI chamber. This "gotcha" chamber is the first time I haven't been able to get factory Hornady 123gr into under 1" at 100yds, with just 3 round groups, from an internationally renowned, top-end barrel maker's pipe at that.

My ER Shaw SAAMI Grendel barrel will do that easily. Heck, it shoots tighter 5rd groups at 200yds than this ill-conceived chamber will shoot 3rd groups from a superb barrel at 100yds.

Here's 5 rounds, 107gr SMK, from a Lilja barrel shot at 100yds. Reamer used: 6.5 Grendel SAAMI from Manson reamers. This is what Lilja barrels are capable of, and why benchrest shooters love them, along with Krieger, Bartlein, Mike Rock.....



This is why when I heard that Lilja would be willing to do a group buy for us, I was interested. The barrels we got are literally the best looking pipes I've ever seen for an AR15. The rifling is smooth and flawless. The barrel extensions are the top of the market, made even better by Lilja with tumble-polishing them to take off the edges.

The gas ports are all cut exactly right, chamfered on the openings, and they are perfectly top dead center with the barrel extension indexing pin. The chambers are smooth, with no visible tooling marks.

Why the reamer maker would send that abortion of a reamer is beyond me, and quite infuriating if you think about it. If you're a rifle builder or barrel maker, be advised that there are entities out there who will go out of their way to stick you in the anus deep and hard, and it's not just with this caliber.

I'm seeing the same story over and over again with .223 Wylde, .308, .338 LM, and 6.8 SPC. Whoever you use for a reamer maker, make them follow the SAAMI diagram or your specs, and give the call-outs with an optical comparator, and have them sign off on it that it is to spec.

[Walter]

LRRPF You can pm your answer or post it here. I have two barrels form the group buy. Would they shoot better if they were sent back to Lilja or are they good to go?

[JASmith]

...This has been worked off line with the members of the group buy. Dan Lilja has worked with the group buy members individually to make this right.

There's no reason and no plans to bring this online.

+1 !!!

[Walter]

I have not heard from anyone but Cory about this. All he said is they were out of spec. Now I see Cory is selling one of the ones he got in the group buy that will not shoot. Simple queston. Did I get a good barrel that is a little out of spec or should I send it back to Lilja? One of the horde knows the answer. Can someone post or IM me. Are they good to go or should I do some thing.

[cst]

Can u tell me how Dan fixed or offered the owners? I bought 2 barrels left over from the initial group buy run...all my necks are measure .296

[r5329]

Thank you LRRPF52 for your honesty, I appreciate you. This, so called, reamer maker is no friend of ours. Fellow shooters should treat each other with respect not stab us in the back. That's just wrong. I will never buy another product made with his reamers. Thank you Dan Lilja for taking care of us like the professional you are.

[cory]

I have not heard from anyone but Cory about this. All he said is they were out of spec. Now I see Cory is selling one of the ones he got in the group buy that will not shoot. Simple queston. Did I get a good barrel that is a little out of spec or should I send it back to Lilja? One of the horde knows the answer. Can someone post or IM me. Are they good to go or should I do some thing.

When did I say it wouldn't shoot????

I've seen reports of these shooting sub moa with hand loads. I've put ~65 rounds of factory Hornady SST/AMAX and got 1.00"-1.25" MOA results. More than you need from a hunting round.

How much more do you need in a hunting rifle?

I suspect anyone that's happy with a 264lbc barrel will be happy with these. However if you're looking for a competition gun they likely won't do. I don't need a competition barrel, but this chamber is not what I need. I need the flexibility of the Grendel Chamber.

[cory]

Can u tell me how Dan fixed or offered the owners? I bought 2 barrels left over from the initial group buy run...all my necks are measure .296

You should contact Dan directly.

[65man]

I believe that to be the intent of the reamer maker: deviate from the standard as much as possible, then offer their "solution", which is a total abortion. Notice how they are bragging about cheating and tricking people into thinking they are sending them the SAAMI reamer, then going on forums and boasting how customers aren't getting what they asked for, then saying their crappy chamber design will out-shoot the SAAMI chamber.

I'll post some groups up of the difference between total abortion chamber, and SAAMI chamber. This "gotcha" chamber is the first time I haven't been able to get factory Hornady 123gr into under 1" at 100yds, with just 3 round groups, from an internationally renowned, top-end barrel maker's pipe at that.

My ER Shaw SAAMI Grendel barrel will do that easily. Heck, it shoots tighter 5rd groups at 200yds than this ill-conceived chamber will shoot 3rd groups from a superb barrel at 100yds.

Here's 5 rounds, 107gr SMK, from a Lilja barrel shot at 100yds. Reamer used: 6.5 Grendel SAAMI from Manson reamers. This is what Lilja barrels are capable of, and why benchrest shooters love them, along with Krieger, Bartlein, Mike Rock.....



This is why when I heard that Lilja would be willing to do a group buy for us, I was interested. The barrels we got are literally the best looking pipes I've ever seen for an AR15. The rifling is smooth and flawless. The barrel extensions are the top of the market, made even better by Lilja with tumble-polishing them to take off the edges.

The gas ports are all cut exactly right, chamfered on the openings, and they are perfectly top dead center with the barrel extension indexing pin. The chambers are smooth, with no visible tooling marks.

Why the reamer maker would send that abortion of a reamer is beyond me, and quite infuriating if you think about it. If you're a rifle builder or barrel maker, be advised that there are entities out there who will go out of their way to stick you in the anus deep and hard, and it's not just with this caliber.

I'm seeing the same story over and over again with .223 Wylde, .308, .338 LM, and 6.8 SPC. Whoever you use for a reamer maker, make them follow the SAAMI diagram or your specs, and give the call-outs with an optical comparator, and have them sign off on it that it is to spec.

interested also in the group buy

[jurassic]

This:

Can u tell me how Dan fixed or offered the owners? I bought 2 barrels left over from the initial group buy run...all my necks are measure .296

I'll call tomorrow.

[Grendanimal]

This:



I'll call tomorrow.

I will too. I bought a barrel left over from the group buy as well. Can someone please message me a copy of the email that was sent out to the group buy members about the barrel?

[biodsl]

I'll call tomorrow.

As will I.