Mimic the factory hornady black load?

[Stinky Coyote]

Have any tried to duplicate the hornady black and if so what does the recipe look like?

[Zeneffect]

30gr cfe223, 450 primer, hornady case, 123eldm is what I got in my notes
2583fps 7sd

Black ran 2535 sd 13 for me. Same gun, same day.

[Ryno785]

What barrel length and how was the accuracy with CFE223?

[VASCAR2]

[Zeneffect]

22" barrel. Accuracy was as good as the factory ammo, which is at 1moa.

[Stinky Coyote]

Thanks, is cfe223 what we think Hornady uses? Is it one of the faster powders?

[Harpoon1]

Thanks, is cfe223 what we think Hornady uses? Is it one of the faster powders?

[VASCAR2]

[Stinky Coyote]

So is the general consensus there's better powders period to achieve equal or better velocities than hornady black? I see the other thread on recommended powders with lots favouring 8208, ar-comp, h335 etc....will these easily match black speeds as well?

[Harpoon1]

So is the general consensus there's better powders period to achieve equal or better velocities than hornady black? I see the other thread on recommended powders with lots favouring 8208, ar-comp, h335 etc....will these easily match black speeds as well?

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?23452-Surprising-ES-SD-with-Leverevolution

[Zeneffect]

8208xbr is a little slower, but not temp sensitive and can be touchy with the 123s. I run 28.2 at 1.660 cbto in a 28" barrel for ~2700fps (ar platform, single feed)

[Stinky Coyote]

I'm finally contemplating reloading for the Grendel or at least looking for the things I'll need. Happy factory shooter here usually keeping 1000 plus rounds on hand and we really only hunt but temp sensitive is a thing in my part of world I suppose, most shooting will be done near average of 41f or 5c. I'm happy with hornady black velocities, and we only run bolt action, got a bucket of once fired brass and just starting my homework. Maybe that target would mimic black velocity and be the most temp tolerant?

I don't think I'll need to experiment with powders and nor do I need get max speeds available either, a reliable easy to replicate at essentially black speeds or a bit faster would be fine. Then I can stock up on 123's, whatever powder I settle on, then start looking for all the other goodies I would need to start rolling my own. Feel free to build me a list and or a load of a minimalist approach to these goals and thanks for the inputs so far.

[Harpoon1]

[LRRPF52]

I'm finally contemplating reloading for the Grendel or at least looking for the things I'll need. Happy factory shooter here usually keeping 1000 plus rounds on hand and we really only hunt but temp sensitive is a thing in my part of world I suppose, most shooting will be done near average of 41f or 5c. I'm happy with hornady black velocities, and we only run bolt action, got a bucket of once fired brass and just starting my homework. Maybe that target would mimic black velocity and be the most temp tolerant?

I don't think I'll need to experiment with powders and nor do I need get max speeds available either, a reliable easy to replicate at essentially black speeds or a bit faster would be fine. Then I can stock up on 123's, whatever powder I settle on, then start looking for all the other goodies I would need to start rolling my own. Feel free to build me a list and or a load of a minimalist approach to these goals and thanks for the inputs so far.

[Harpoon1]