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    6.5 vs 308 Win

    Given this is a grendel forum, but what would you consider a better overall hunting cartridge. Data is great, but I'd like to hear from guys who have used both. Im new to the grendel, but ive used 308 and loved it for Texas deer and hog.

    Thoughts?

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    Well, you didn't mention whether you were constrained to an AR15 magazine well or not...

    Are we talking semi? Bolt gun? In Texas, you don't have anything that a Grendel won't readily drop, and it is usable in lighter semi platforms. So, I'd go Grendel personally. In a bolt gun I'd probably use a .260 Remington.

    But.... I'm not going to say the Grendel is "better". It depends on what platform you choose. You also won't pop into wally world to pick up a box in a pinch.

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    Considering the question as it was asked, the .308 Win is the better overall hunting cartridge. Where I live there are very large moose and even bigger bears that the ;308 would be better suited for. But I love my .264 LBC.

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    apples to apples; the .308 is "better". Variable's answer hit's the nail on the head.

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    Or, we could complicate the discussion and start a comparative list like this:
    • Larger Game: +.308
    • Trajectories: +Grendel or +.308 depending on bullet choices
    • Cost of Factory Ammo: +.308
    • Cost of Reloads: +Grendel (provided you're using your own once-fired brass)
    • Light Platforms: +Grendel
    • Low Recoil: +Grendel
    • Fun Shooting: +Grendel.

    The list can be expanded, but as a couple of folks said in other words, the quality of the sauce depends on your taste buds!

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    Cost of factory ammo: Assuming comparable quality loads is tossup. I haven't seen Hornady .308 AMAX any less expensive than Grendel AMAX. High quality .308 for hunting runs about the same as factory Grendel loadings for hunting.
    Last edited by bwaites; 08-10-2011 at 03:56 PM.
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    Premium ammo does indeed level the playing field.

    I was thinking of the real inexpensive stuff like Tul Ammo in .308 at under $10.00/box.

    I was, however, surprised at the minor differences in standard brands. In fact I discovered that the Grendel is less expensive in Wolf brand than is the .308 in Wolf brand.

    I guess I can say that you got me again!!

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    I essentially concur with what others already posted. The 308 is probably a better "overall" hunting cartridge in the sense that it's capable of taking larger game than the Grendel. However, "better" comes with a price--increased recoil and increased weight, if we're talking semi-autos, particularly the AR-10 style guns versus the AR-15.

    The last time I went hunting, ostensibly for hogs, I toted around a scoped FAL with 18.5" tube. That beast got heavy, and that's when I swore to myself that I'd have a lighter gun the next time. That's one of the reasons I went the Grendel route.

    Oh, and go Red Raiders!

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    I have used and owned a lot of .308's in bolt guns and AR10's, and for hunting, the AR10 in .308 is a not-starter, unless you go with a really lightweight barrel and components. All my AR10's in .308 have been "long-range" rifles with heavy barrels, until I finally got it through my head that .308 is not a long-range cartridge, even when I pushed the 155gr Lapua Scenars at 2850 fps. It's a capable 600m cartridge, but the wind blows it all over the place after that.

    As a result, I only plan to build AR10's in 6.5mm from now on, like the .260 Rem I am using in one currently. That is a cartridge that justifies the weight and profile of a .308 action, whether bolt or semi-auto, and has much less recoil as well.

    The Grendel allows you to have a very handy, lightweight carbine or rifle that delivers .308 trajectories and sufficient terminal ballistics to take even large game within 400yds, with half the recoil of most .308 loads. You also use a lot less powder when reloading, and there are a lot of 6.5mm bullets to choose from on the market. If you are shooting hogs or other fast-movers, the Grendel will allow faster follow-up shots than a .308, similarly-configured.

    While most .308 hunting rifles are of a lightweight profile, they are not fun for younger shooters to practice on with any significant round count to develop a solid level of proficiency. Not so with the Grendel. It is a pussycat to shoot, even for the kids.

    For making ethical kills with both calibers, which are usually done well within 300yds, I don't think either caliber exhibits significant advantages over the other, so I personally lean to the Grendel for its field friendliness for ease of carry.

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    Picking a "better" cartridge is tough, regardless of the caliber. To take this to a greater extreme; Which is better for hunting, the .22 LR or the .308?

    More deer have been taken with the .22 LR than the .308, believe it or not. BUT is it the ideal cartridge for that? Nope. Is the .308, again, I would say no. There isn't an IDEAL cartridge out there.

    Choosing between the two for deer and hogs, I'd pick the Grendel every time...for the reasons that LRRPF52 states. Less recoil, lighter weight, (Yes, I realize you can build an AR10 almost as light as an AR15.), easier followup shots. And also because you can reload for 50% less powder and cheaper bullets.

    For those reasons, and for hunting inside 3-400 yards, the Grendel is really hard to beat on medium sized game.

    BUT...some people think you have to use 300 WinMags on deer and hogs....so its a very personal decision!!
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